Spreading the idea that everyone has a gender identity

My sex is female. I don't have a gender identity. I really don't. Some people might feel they have. But I don't.

No gender identity here either.

I agree with the poster above, it’s akin to religion. Those that believe, have it, and think it’s real and everyone who doesn’t is going ‘WTAF are you even on about?’

Beach, Sarah and Lang, thanks for your clear explanations. I am learning a lot. It's pretty fucking obvious that gender is a hierarchy... but only once you have seen it. No one told me until here, recently. It's made a lot of things click into place for me.

So to be clear, the meaning of what I said was...

Human beings have sexes, personalities and socialised behaviours (some, but not all, of which we call gender).

Lang I can't agree that gender is a fiction.

I read Langs post as referring to innate gender identity as a fiction, not the whole concept of gender as a social construct.

What Eresh said. I said gender identity (as defined by dualist genderism) is a religious fiction. Gender is a set of imposed socialised behaviours that disadvantage women. Gender exists - but it would be better if didn't - and gender identity does not.

I read Langs post as referring to innate gender identity as a fiction, not the whole concept of gender as a social construct.

Lang I can't agree that gender is a fiction. I would define it as patterns of thought, behaviour and social interaction, categorised according to stereotypes associated with sex. Denying its existence doesn't reduce its influence. The lie of the gender spectrum is that it comes from within. What comes from within is the extent to which we accept gender norms. This depends on the social interactions we invest ourselves into

Oops. Missed out the point I feel strongest about, that there is a special place in hell for anyone who suggests to children that changing sex is possible.
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Not that I believe in hell, of course. But I think such teaching deserves punishment as it can only harm children. Maybe I can count on karma?

You can believe in karma if you want.

I am a Christian and I am unsure about hell. That is for another thread.

I believe we are seeing is free will, imperfection in people, the corruption of evil and all it temps us with. The evil we all have to fight every day is seducing people in this particular incidence, into this ideology via virtue signalling, money, power, obtaining admiration, by access and so forth.

The best way to fight this evil is with the TRUTH.

User14...

Yes, I can see it's a very effective and profitable way to control.

Gender is a part of all our identities though. Whether we resist it or accept it we are defined by our stance. Believing we can be free of it is part of the lie. We can only be totally free of gender if are completely disconnected from others. Part of what we do here is develop our own gender resistance. We are doing this socially. The lie is that it comes from within is part of the social enforcement of gender.
Thanks, SarahCarer, I really like this and want to be known as a gender resister. I am a woman because biology and I have been pushed/wandered towards various feminine roles because of societal expectations. Sometimes I have resisted, other times not so much.

Perhaps GenderOhm?

Oops. Missed out the point I feel strongest about, that there is a special place in hell for anyone who suggests to children that changing sex is possible.
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Not that I believe in hell, of course. But I think such teaching deserves punishment as it can only harm children. Maybe I can count on karma?

Ounce - when organisations create false identities for people, they increase their power over them.

Getting back to Mermaids, I do not consider it a reputable body.

What I have learned from news reports both concerning the appalling conduct of its CEO and the judgement that prohibited Mermaids from contacting a child whose mother was pushing him into transition gives me a low opinion.

Some may recall the mother of a child very troubled by their sex who posted here for a long while. The account she gave of her experience of Mermaids produced even more disturbing information. She was accused of all sorts by other members for steering her child away from blockers. She was kind enough to say that FWR had been her greatest source of support. She may still be around under another name

Mermaids has successfully positioned itself as the go to organization for children with issues relating to their sexual identity. Perhaps those of us who are placed to do so could introduce the Transgender Trend information as well?

I feel like I do have a gender but I'm as sure as I can be that it's not innate. I've been shaped this way by others since I was a girl and it went into overdrive when I became a teenager.

I find it constricting though, and I hate the idea there are organisations out there trying to reinforce it rather than help people free themselves from it.

Sell your soul to the D&E diversity training. What qualifications and safeguarding is involved in those that offer public services training?

What safeguarding is there in those taking voluntarily roles on police advisory boards? I saw a tweet posted on another thread, by someone who said they are abusing their role to push a political ideology.

I think the origins of all this gender rubbish come from “gender marketing” which was developed by advertising/marketing in the US in the 1980s. The hocus pocus industry...

I've yet to see an evidenced based definition of gender ID.

No peer reviewed symposium has taken place, yet our NHS, charity sector and public services go for it.

I read that Oxfam are no longer employing as many people, after their scandal. Charity job creation schemes, PR and advertising gigs off the back of vulnerable people will no longer make £££ for virtue signalling.

We're all "non-biary", we haven't stuck rigidly to society's idea of masculine and feminine since the 1950s, and not everyone did even then. I am aware that I am a woman but that is not the same as having a gender identity, I do as I wish.

SarahCarer By saying I am agenderist, I don’t mean to deny that society treats me a certain way because I am female (sex) and that that has shaped who I am today. As NotTerfNorCis says the construct of gender, along with similar constructs such as class and nationality are socialised into us. Because we are not disconnected beings in a vacuum.

But that does not mean that it is, or has to be, part of my identity.

Believing we can be free of it is part of the lie
Or, a difference between radical and liberal feminist thought, perhaps.

I have a body and a personality too. I am completely agenderist.

If all people of a sex behaved and thought in the same way wouldn't that make it difficult to fall in love as there would be no variety.

I know that I'm female because I am currently bleeding from my vagina. That has fuck all to do with the various personality traits, aesthetic preferences etc that get grouped together as "gender".