A bit of good news about 'upskirting'

About bloody time!!

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This is only good news if its implemented.

As for 'this never happens,' there's at least one upskirt Reddit and a well worn hashtag.
And this is voyeurism lite. If you find upskirting difficult to get your head round then count your lucky stars you've never encountered any of the heavier stuff, but please don't dismiss womens concerns over this kind of behaviour.

At last! Good news.

Target, an American chain, found voyeurism, including upskirt filming, tripled after the company initiated a gender inclusive changing room policy. All of the offenders were male. womanmeanssomething.com/1034-2/.

@notacooldad - be interesting to hear what they said on your course?

just in case it's helpful to anyone - you know those spyhole things you get in hotel doors to see who is outside? We have one of those on the internal door of our flat.

a friend warned us that you can buy a reverse spyhole thingy to look inside the flat. There's sometimes a cover over the spyhole, but ours doesn't have one, so we've stuck black tape over it. not attractive, but seemed a good idea.

Spy camera in a bathroom scale.

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Thanks for the examples, everyone - god, that's pretty horrible. I suppose nothing should surprise me now.

And has anyone ever seen any "upskirt" photos published in newspapers? I'm pretty sure I haven't.

Of course I have. The daily mail and others often has a women coming out of a car, especially on a night out and the photographer has deliberately set him self low down so they can hopefully get a picture of the woman's knicks and then puts up a headline ' so and so displays her assets or other such nonsense.
As wrong as that is it then becomes 'normal' and then the bloke on the street thinks its a perfectly fine thing to do, it then follows on that the lads at school think they can do that to females there and if challenged the young women and the girls ' have a problem or attitude and 'can't take a joke'

I have seen these pictures through work. It's awful. A couple of years ago it seemed like it was just one or two lads from the high school that did it and word got round now it is an everyday thing.

Recently I have been on training courses and this subject has been covered.

also, so what if you've not seen upskirt photos in a paper or online

the fact that the law has been letting them get away with taking them for their own enjoyment is a major problem.

And has anyone ever seen any "upskirt" photos published in newspapers? I'm pretty sure I haven't.

Yes, I've seen it and I don't read rag newspapers, so probably clicked on an online version.
Can't remember the celebrities, but getting out of a car and uncrossing legs I've definitely seen that with fairly famous celebrities.

I'm sure I saw Cate Blanchett being interviewed at some awards and then caught a photographer trying to do an upskirt shot.

If it stops paparazzi doing this to female celebrities that would be great. It's grim how they dive around when women are getting in and out of cars, and it is bizarre that just because they are wearing underwear it's not illegal.

A guy who lives close to me was arrested when his wallet was handed in to the police assuming it was lost. When the police looked in it there was a hidden camera inside.

He’d taken ‘upskirt’ images of young girls as well as older women. Dirty fucker.

Did anyone hear the comment on BBC breakfast earlier? I was in another room so only heard it - regarding why this has been law in Scotland for so long but not the rest of the UK. Her response was 'men wear kilts in Scotland. When men are the victims the law seems to be brought in much quicker' along those lines. Anyone know who it was?

hackmum
One common example could be Young girls going up escalators in a mall are often victims of upskirting.
If you are a 12 or 13 year old girl and there are several boys with a mobile camera behind you trying to take a picture of your knickers to put on YouTube, that is pretty intimidating and scary.

The paparazzi are always trying to do it to female celebrities.
Nasty, horrible practice from males designed to shame and humiliate girls and women.

shiklah - cross post

OMD! That man should be shunned and spoken to by absolutely no one. Fucking weirdo.

Hackmum. It has happened to me on the train and on the bus (I was going upstairs).

hackmum - crowded Tube, concert, etc etc

bend down to get something from your bag, or tie your shoelace - there - you've taken an upskirt picture.

A close friend of my BF's DH was caught with a specially adapted bag on the tube. He had a camera built into it for filming. He'd filmed some minors so got a prison sentence. He is out now and everyone is acting like it's fine. BF's exH even wanted to take their 12YO daughter to a party he was at.

It's incredibly disturbing how many people view this as 'fun' and not abuse.

There are special cameras to put on shoes, never underestimate what lengths perverts go to in order to destroy Womens’ boundaries.
It’s also very easy somewhere with open stairs or on escalators.

I have to confess, I have never understood this upskirting business. How do you get close enough to someone to take a photograph up their skirt? Logistically, how does it work? Surely if anyone tried it, you'd be aware they were doing it? And has anyone ever seen any "upskirt" photos published in newspapers? I'm pretty sure I haven't.

Yes, good news. I follow Professor Clare Mcglyn on twitter - she has campaigned for this relentlessly.

That is good news! But I'm another who can't understand how it wasn't already a crime.