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A bit of good news about 'upskirting'

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enoughisenoughtoday · 15/06/2018 10:18

It's going to be made a criminal offence with a 2 year jail sentence .
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-offence-of-upskirting-to-carry-two-year-jail-term-nmtjwtgt6?shareToken=515d5b6f7e9e27e09b4aa039fdabc2ef

Well done to all those women who have fought for this to happen

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DontDrinkDontSmoke · 15/06/2018 17:14

I’m sure Catherine Middleton was upskirted by a paparazzo when she was dating Wills.

Disgusting whoever the victim is.

StroppyWoman · 15/06/2018 17:11

I honestly don't think they care how it looks

NotTerfNorCis · 15/06/2018 17:09

Jesus Christ, so two teamed up together to block it? Despite what utter scumbags they must have known it would make them look? Just wow.

leyat · 15/06/2018 17:04

I think they are both as awful as it gets, less than an hour after blocking this bill Christopher Chope blocked a bill to protect police dogs from getting stabbed.

StroppyWoman · 15/06/2018 16:59

Davies is worse, he hates women with a rage that practically foams at the mouth.
Chope hates Private Members Bills - he derailed one about Hillsborough too, as I remember. He's awful, but Davies takes the prize.

leyat · 15/06/2018 16:58

Yup, Davies fillibustered so there was no debate, then Chope objected to the bill on the basis of no debate, and that was job done, now the bill goes to the back of the queue.

notacooldad · 15/06/2018 16:55

I am really upset about this on behalf of all the young girls and teens that I work with, the women in my town and up and down the country.
It's bloody disgrace that a law is needed in the first place never mind blocked by a guy who won't expierence the shame that victims of this practise feel.

FuckLush · 15/06/2018 16:51

Hang on. An MP actually blocked this?

leyat · 15/06/2018 16:49

Philip Davies fillibustered, that's why it didn't get debated. They're both scum. Rarely use that word but just sometimes it's entirely apt.

FuckLush · 15/06/2018 16:49

I could have sworn Ive read about men who have been convicted of upskirting in the past. I think its down to the descression of the police/judges etc.

I would imagine they were charged with other offences and the "upskirting" was just an extra part of their offence.

The problem at the moment is there is nothing specific in legislation to stop it. It doesn't fall under voyeurism, it could be a public order offence if the victims were aware (however I've never seen anyone charged that way) but theres no law against photographing someone in a public place without their consent (especially since 99% of these shots would be a victims underwear, rather than their genitals) Its obvious that the law needs an overhaul in this regard because I don't think they anticipated practically the entire population purchasing a device which doubles up as a camera, which doesn't look out of place with them walking around with it in their hand.

leyat · 15/06/2018 16:48

Upskirting is a criminal offense in Scotland, that's probably why you've heard of convictions, but sadly England and Wales will now have to wait because of that POS.

NotTerfNorCis · 15/06/2018 16:44

When I heard a Tory MP vetoed this I suspected Philip Davies. Turns out there is one even worse!

Baroquehavoc · 15/06/2018 16:41

I guess we know what Sir Christopher does on his days off.

He claims he objected because it wasn't debated. Hmm

londoneast · 15/06/2018 16:31

I could have sworn Ive read about men who have been convicted of upskirting in the past.
I think its down to the descression of the police/judges etc.

Neolara · 15/06/2018 16:01

This is so outrageous that surely we can rally the collective might of MN to exert some pressure.

Everyone write to their MPs?

deydododatdodontdeydo · 15/06/2018 15:34

He sounds like a first class .
Insert your own word.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 15/06/2018 15:32

I cannot believe someone would block such a law. Shame on him. SHAME!

I wonder if we will hear from him on this topic?

walktheplank · 15/06/2018 15:31

He does seem a nasty piece of work. I can't help thinking about the speech that the main character in Extras makes where he mentions photographers who commit this offence, here's part of it:

"You open the paper and you see a picture of Lindsay Lohan getting out of a car, and the headline is "Cover Up Lindsay, We Can See Your Knickers". Of course you can see her knickers - your photographer is lying in the road, pointing his camera up her dress to see her knickers! You're literally the gutter press."

I wasn't keen on Extras on the whole, but that bit was in the special and the entire speech is one of the most amazing bits of TV I've ever seen.

FermatsTheorem · 15/06/2018 15:24

Oh I suspect he is gleefully misogynistic as well as generally misanthropic.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 15/06/2018 15:23

@FermatsTheorem
I agree - hard to call him mysoginist when he seems to be against anything and everything!

FermatsTheorem · 15/06/2018 15:21

Just checked the voting at the last general election, he polled 69.6% of the vote, with a swing of +11.5% (in an election where the Torys overall lost their majority). It seems that the inhabitants of Christchurch in Dorset are quite happy with their choice of MP (I am now imagining it to be more than a little bit like Royston Vasey). Confused Shock Angry

enoughisenoughtoday · 15/06/2018 15:20

And I've just seen that a Tory MP has objected! So is he in favour of upskirting? Why else would he oppose it? And he's an MP Sad
Wonder what his constituency party has to say about this.

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Floeer · 15/06/2018 15:17

He seems to enjoy making it bloody hard for anyone and everyone reading a few articles on him, including about how he put in 40+ private bills to block up the system last year with a load of pointless shit just because he could! WTAF!

enoughisenoughtoday · 15/06/2018 15:16

Ereshkigal
The misogynists are being nurtured and enabled by powerful movements intent on eradicating women. Our language and identity is apparently unacceptable, it is being actively erased ( see the Cancer Research thread as today's example), porn is celebrated and gross impersonations of women are considered normal, then of course the creeps and misogynists feel empowered. Just look at where the support for the Ian Huntley's of the world is coming from - tells you everything you need to know about who and what they value.

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tobee · 15/06/2018 15:13

He's a real relic of hanging and flogging type of mp.

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