Who have we lost?

Others won't dare speak much even if they're here.

This.

Picking people off in order to intimidate the remainder into silence is a very old and very successful tactic.

Dammit. New member here, only made a few posts so far, and felt I was walking a tightrope the whole time, so unfair.

Now they have given me my first strike! And I have no idea why. It was a post about Madigan being present in the House on the night of the HOC meeting, by coincidence, to attend a different meeting.

So for that, strike 1 already.

I expect I will be banned soon. The intent is to get rid of us, one by one.

Has everyone joined up to the replacement yet? I have. I guess I will get strike 2 now for mentioning it even exists.

Unless we restrict ourselves to discussing nappies, ALL of us will be banned, it is just a matter of time.

Some of the best threads I have read on this issue focus on impact. Things like the real life impact on girls and women in sports. It is perfectly possible to talk about these things whilst using language that is not lying, but won't get you banned. I think it is more powerful if we can speak the unadulterated truth, but it is still possible to have an impact. And worth making sure everyone stays on this board.

Why six weeks? It seems like an odd time period.

Smacks a bit of covering for the school summer holiday trolling!

I'm a lurker and I read threads daily on here but never or rarely comment, mainly because there are some very eloquent women and I feel [stupidly] inferior.

But you've all opened my eyes and off the back of my readings I've had some in-depth conversations with my husband and 18yr old daughter.

I'm not sure where I'd look to keep reading and educating myself if people just vanished into the ether.

Further to @Pratchet's comment above, MNT's recent update to guidelines etc. puts me in mind of the Good Fight episode about social media moderation of "hate speech". The episode was “Social Media And Its Discontents” with an ostensibly alt-right character, Felix Staples.

tl;dr There's an argument for not being corralled into implementing guidelines in an oppressive manner and it was outlined in a legal drama.

Overall, there was the impression that it is pretty much impossible to moderate communication when it's plausible that not all of the parties are participating in good faith and just in it to exhaust resources and act as agents of chaos.

Within the episode, the savvy tech users found it trivially easy to game moderation and to stay within the limits of actionable comments and "protected speech". Attempts to handle this raised the spectre of endless amendments that are pushed into draconian censorship. At which point, you need an endless and hugely expensive appeals process or, you don't permit discussion or comment. (That's a very simple overview of quite a byzantine plot.)

That story line was interesting but quite depressing in its conclusion. Diane Lockhart (lead character and law partner) sums it up in a final dismissal to Felix Staples:
"“You’re a clown. What’s worse is you’re a smart clown, who occasionally has a point, a point you destroyed by mixing it up with racism and misogyny you probably don’t even believe...You think this is some grand rebellion against progressives and Social Justice Warriors? It’s not. You’re just some kid in the corner pissing yourself, so have at it.“"

MNHQ may find that the three strikes within six weeks policy will be used as a tool to hollow out FWR.

Why six weeks? It seems like an odd time period.

I'm a bit undecided at Mumsnet's MO.

Is there any discussion when a strike is issued. Theoretically a long post correctly gendered according to the new rules could get deleted and a strike issued for one inadvertently placed "he"

It concerns me that there seems to be no confirmation that these rules apply elsewhere on Mumsnet.

It is very poor that clarifications are buried in long threads and misconceptions allowed to spread. If for example the natal sex thread goes or drops down the board new users are going to be unaware about that clarification.

I find it very odd that such a busy website is communicating with it's users so badly.

Sorry for the derail.

Another delurker here. Peak transed by Man Friday, suddenly there is a whole world of weirdness out there that I was blissfully ignoring til it slapped me round the face!
I am really struggling with the fact that MN who I have long viewed as an adult voice in this silly world is failing so badly on this issue.
Where is the powerful campaign akin to post natal provision or bounty? To me this one issue has as much danger to women and girls, and I am bitterly disappointed that MN is trying to silence the debate.

"MNHQ may find that the three strikes within six weeks policy will be used as a tool to hollow out FWR."

Of course - that's why they've set it at 6 weeks, not one. Once they've got rid of you and Datun, and probably 20/30 key repeat posters, the job will be done. Others won't dare speak much even if they're here.

They won't lose viewing audience figures for some time though as many will lurk from both sides to see the outcomes. They're probably hoping new groups will flourish instead.

Delurking to show support.

I have Asperger's and dyslexia so I'm often put off posting on forums. I don't want to be mocked for any errors I make or there be a misunderstanding due to the lack of tone and intention.

BUT it is time for lurkers like me to make ourselves know and show support and thanks to the determined and strong women and allies who have spoken out.

However it would be wrong for for some to think our silence is acceptance. We tell out friends and family, sign petitions, campaign, go to women's meetings and talks and write our MPs.

We also are your audience Mumsnet. We make up a huge percentage of the sites visitors, we read what your members write, buy or avoid places and products on their recommendation and see the ads on this website. We are your income too.
Don't silence the posters who bring women like me to this site. If they go so do we.

MNHQ may find that the three strikes within six weeks policy will be used as a tool to hollow out FWR.

Given the six week time frame, instead of say, one week, it is pretty much a certainty that clearing out of FWR was the aim.

As it is, I have not commented much - mainly, I am still getting my head around the bloody new rules, which have been crafted to effectively shut down all analysis on the T issue (specifically, no mention of sex(!) and not mentioning 'T', I mean, wtaf on all that.

MNHQ may find that the three strikes within six weeks policy will be used as a tool to hollow out FWR.

I'm still here (might be doing another namechange when I think of one amusing again)... but I'm elsewhere on the net as well. I simply don't like being told to stop talking - never did (school reports testify to this) - so the odds are I'll get deleteobanned eventually.

I mean - if I need to have an existential crisis over the use of toilet brushes or which detergent to use to wash my bedsheets for the 57th time a day... where else am I going to come?

And the fact that you have been targeted is further proof of how necessary your contribution is. You are one of the regulars whose thoughtful arguments have opened my eyes.

thebewilderness:"I am unsure of what I can do.
I have been silenced, demonized, lied about, and given a strike."

I knew you'd be a target, I'm just surprised at who have been among those targeting you.

I wonder who they'll target once they've closed down Mumsnet's discussions?

They are targeting and discredited any group that may oppose self id and any changes to the EA they are planning.

I wonder who they'll target once they've closed down Mumsnet's discussions?

There isn't any other big U.K. group is there?

I am mostly lurking but I'm not going anywhere - I was out and proud on Twitter till I got banned - I do keep commenting on RadFem FB pages so hopefully am peaktransing a few people here and there. I have peaktransed my husband, brother and neighbour so far! And I will keep going, however I can.

It is SO important that these issues continue to be discussed here by you eloquent and informed women. You continue to enlighten people like me on a daily basis and help us out if the dark and give us the words to understand and articulate our instinctive concerns.

Delurking to agree wholeheartedly with this.

I was unaware of the threat to sex segregated spaces until March this year, after the trades union woman was attacked on her picket line and I googled for background information. Since then I have been busy informing my social network (consisting mainly of women born in the 1950's).

As a lesbian and feminist since the 1970's I don't feel comfortable reading hateful, derisory comments about trans people, which is why mumsnet's women's rights board has been so helpful. I do not consider robust debate or plain statements of biological fact as hate.

I'm gutted that mumsnet has decided to participate in the silencing of women, and hope that if everyone does decide to move elsewhere someone will PM me a link to the new address.

I'm here. Becoming less of a lurker, generally agreeing with far more eloquent speakers than adding. I will do that more now. I have children in two different high schools and both have at least one teenager who thinks they shouldn't be the sex they were born into. That's my biggest worry. I'm genuinely concerned that young lesbians think they are the wrong sex or those who do come out our marginalised further by men using their spaces.

It's not just the discussion, it is the articles being shared, raising awareness of what is going on in the world. We need all these things, both for lurkers and regulars.

This is an important feminist space, always has been. That's why they attack us. It is one of the only female-dominated, high profile, politically active spaces on the internet - and we should fight for it.

This cannot be said too often..... you are amazing women! xx

Ugh. That’s an ‘I’ not a ‘u’ in the last sentence.