The reason why the UK is so important in the Trans battle: why we matter as the "tipping-point"

Pratchet, it is very intimidating but, although I'm a bit of a coward, I find the attacks make me more determined to stick up for women and girls, not less. I was busting to go to the Hastings meeting but it would take me about 7 hours round trip and I couldn't do/afford it.

The conduct of aggressive ideologues online makes me certain that the issue is far more serious than I thought originally. The way they communicate with women is very telling.

It really is very David and Goliath though. There is huge funding and PR behind the trans movement but our weapons are logic, fairness, wit, fact and debate.

This is a misconception. Tens of millions of Brits don't want a damaging genderology imposed on kids. Millions don't want fetish normalised at work. Many many millions expect sex segregation.

Women in other countries have said they're inspired by Woman's Place and We Need To Talk. But it does mean that TRA have had to declare open warfare and it is very intimidating.

I am certain the UK is the fulcrum
Me too barracker. I agree will what you and others have said. It is vital to carry on. MN is part of it.

I'm really proud actually, we are definitely at the forefront of the backlash.

Trans people can have their own spaces and services where sex segregation is necessary, as well as their own inclusion initiatives on the basis of being trans. They can be protected from being discriminated against for being trans, i.e. protected from losing work/suchlike. They are free to believe what they want about gender, to choose their own labels and to debate what they wish. They are also free to live and express themselves how they wish. And like all of us they have their human rights. And indeed they can have their own movement to address any inequalities/oppression they feel they face due to the shared characteristic of identifying as trans.

Trans rights do not in any way need to impact on the sex based rights of women and girls, and if trans people were treated the same way as all other protected classes - i.e. If we were all to be treated equally - they would have their specific rights as outlined above and would not be encroaching on/overriding the rights of another class of people. There is no compromise here, asking women and girls to compromise is just gaslighting, we do not have to give up any of our rights for trans equality, we are losing our rights for trans supremacy. We are losing our rights for trans people to have their identity validated, not to because this is necessary for them to be treated equally.

That we are fighting this gaslighting as well as the attack on feminism that is gender identity/idea of innate gender is something we can all be proud of. We are not submitting and it's awesome :D

In New Zealand they are trying to push self-ID at the moment. In Australia it passed in South Australia and the ACT, but failed in Victoria by 1 vote. Those are all the progressive states which is where you'd expect it to pass first.

Australia also removed the court requirement for under-18 access to hormones late last year as well which was a financial roadblock that stopped most children transitioning, now it's going to a be a free-for-all with hormones available at any age with a doctor's approval.

Oh, and truth.

I am certain the UK is the fulcrum.

We are somewhat unique in our approach to this and have benefitted from oversight of the disastrous changes in Canada etc. We had our heads up.

Mumsnet and the various feminist bloggers got this on the radar years ago and it has built.

We've also organised earlier on.

It really is very David and Goliath though. There is huge funding and PR behind the trans movement but our weapons are logic, fairness, wit, fact and debate.
Oh, and truth.

Also it's culturally a bit of a tipping point. America would be the big win but with Trump and the conservative backlash the trans lobby won't make a lot of headway there.

The UK is culturally fairly progressive so transgender idealogy can get a foot in the door. Once the UK falls, expect Australia, Canada, and New Zealand to look at following soon after. We are all very closely culturally and politically linked.

As an Australian I feel a bit stuck. If I point out the madness that's happening in the UK I feel I will be met with "We'll that's not here, you can't worry about everything that happens in other countries." but if we wait until it gets a foothold here then it's already subconsciously entrenched and "well the UK already has these laws, it's not that revolutionary" will be a defense.