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Cancer Research: anyone with a cervix

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Aloneinacrowd70 · 14/06/2018 14:20

Not sure how to link to Twitter, but Cancer Research UK have a pinned tweet which says:

'Cervical screening (or the smear test) is relevant for everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix. Watch our animation to find out what to expect when you go for screening #CervicalScreeningAwarenessWeek'

Everyone with a cervix? I think in their attempt to be inclusive, they are potentially excluding women who may not know about their own biology. Plus, they still refer to men with regard to prostate cancer:

www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/prostate-cancer

It's only women who are unable to be named, apparently.

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R0wantrees · 18/06/2018 16:47

An indication of things to come?

Response to Anna Turley MP

Cancer Research: anyone with a cervix
Melamin · 18/06/2018 16:41

Oh dear, they are in the mire Hmm

Popchyk · 18/06/2018 15:39

CRUK has issued a further tweet:

"You can ask for a woman or a man to do your screening when you book your appointment. You can also take someone with you on the day"

twitter.com/CR_UK/status/1008444678998544385

Of course everyone is now asking if they mean female when they say woman. I have a feeling they won't be answering that one. Because the wrath of Pink News will be upon them if they dare mention that women are female.

This campaign is entering omnishambles territory.

Mogleflop · 18/06/2018 11:48

Grin bigots. I call for more inclusivity!

This Parent's or Guardian's Day, join the fight (if you want to).
Save the non-gendered-specific-being (should you think that any life has inherent value and be continued as long as possible).

BertrandRussell · 18/06/2018 10:57

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Cancer Research: anyone with a cervix
Popchyk · 18/06/2018 10:54

Had a look on Gransnet

They were not happy about it and some of them have written to CRUK to say so.

SardineReturns · 18/06/2018 10:48

CRUK still refers to "females" on this page, anyone want to flag this with them? All mention of female needs to go.

Pratchet · 18/06/2018 10:35

No, the Guardian and the BBC won't. They're hand in hand on women's rights.

IamXXHearMeRoar · 18/06/2018 10:31

BBC haven't covered it.

Andrew Marr didn't mention it.

I firmly believe that money is the only thing that will change this.

Mogleflop · 18/06/2018 10:00

Nah, men will just laugh it off. They're not being erased.

The only thing that will change these campaigns are their results and the impact they have.

If CRUK raise more awareness this way (and they might be doing that if it's getting a big reaction) then they'll do it again. If not they'll revert.

Popchyk · 18/06/2018 09:51

It was covered in a few of them I think.

Times, Mail, Telegraph, Huff, Evening Standard, Sky.

The Guardian wouldn't cover that kind of story because it is about the erasure of women and therefore not newsworthy to the 15 readers that it has left.

There will be a much bigger outcry when their "people with prostates" campaign is launched.

IamXXHearMeRoar · 18/06/2018 09:30

Is there any update on this madness?

Why are so few press outlets covering this?

How long before the accountants demand a rethink?

Popchyk · 18/06/2018 09:28

While I feel bad for anyone who gets abuse for asking a simple question, I do think that MPs should realise what is going on. Labour have completely capitulated to the transgender cult so they need to feel the consequences of that.

Pink News pointed out that Anna Turley had asked a question (and of course they only did that to rally the troops for a pile-on) and then the Labour Women's Officer for Rochester and Strood was predictably "sad to see this from a Labour MP".

I'm hoping that this might be a wake-up call for at least one MP.

Kyanite · 17/06/2018 19:43

Looks like Anna Turley MP could do with some support following her tweet.

The TRAs are out in force.

twitter.com/annaturley/status/1007315316685393921

R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 11:54

thread re Rachel Johnson's comments in today's Daily Mail:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3280385-Rachel-Johnson-gender-critical?watched=1&msgid=78727177#78727177

R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 11:44

Betty I've sent a test PM. If its not showing, could you let me know please? MN are aware of the 'glitch' and I can follow it up. Thanks

R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 11:41

Thank you, going to try a test now... (Ive had 'glitches')

BettyDuMonde · 17/06/2018 11:36

Feel free to PM R0wantrees, anytime Flowers

R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 11:31

Kiri Tunks is a teacher and trade unionist and a founder member of Woman’s Place UK.

"Cancer Research has removed the word ‘woman’ from advice on cervical screening. As someone who had treatment for pre-cancerous cells in my early 20s, this really worries me.

I remember the death of Jade Goody from cervical cancer at the age of 27 and how her death was used to spearhead a campaign to get young women to get checked. Now numbers are dropping again.

How is the erasure of sex from this guidance going to help address this?

The truth is that many, many women and girls are in ignorance of their bodies – not helped by a failure of this country to make sex and relationships education statutory. ‘Everyone with a cervix’ excludes women who don’t know what a cervix is. There will be added obstacles for women for whom English is a second language or those with poor literacy..... " continues

womansplaceuk.org/cervical-cancer-is-a-womens-issue/

R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 11:29

Absolutely agree BettyDuMonde and thank you for speaking out.
Flowers Flowers

I'd like to PM with you.

BettyDuMonde · 17/06/2018 11:13

MrsDoylesTeaBags

Thank you! I’ve had a very moving response to what started out as a post on here and expanded into the Fair Play blog post. I only delurked earlier this week so my GC training wheels have come off very quickly indeed.

A number of women have shared similarly sad stories of losing loved ones to women’s cancers, or indeed, living through them personally. It strengthens my resolve to join this fight, because women need other women.

My son is about to turn 18 and is currently sitting A levels. Obviously he is right in the middle of this chatter and many of his peers have totally bought into the gender is more important than sex viewpoint. We talk about it a lot. One of the topics that came up this week was about equality. Teens think they know everything, I certainly thought I did. I thought my sex had little to do with anything, because after childhood, I had managed to achieve everything I wanted to achieve. It was only after my son was born (traumatic labour, undiagnosed breech, large baby, emergency c section etc) that I realised how much of women’s oppression only becomes apparent at this point. I was so traumatised by the experience (combined with my mother’s death) that it took 11 years and PTSD counselling before I had my second child.

I hate to be patronising, but an awful lot of these youngsters have a lot to learn about the world. I hope their learning process is more gentle on them than mine!

Popchyk · 17/06/2018 10:43

We are living in a time where people are identifying as something that they are campaigning to ban.

I've said it before. Men who identify as women and women who identify as men are on a collision course. Transgender males want to acquire and glorify the word woman at all costs (but get rid of the whole biology thing) and transgender females want to get rid of the word woman completely.

So the word "woman" now becomes both validating and invalidating. Both acceptance and rejection. Both sacrosanct and profane.

Juells · 17/06/2018 10:24

I hate that woman is becoming a profane word

Unless it's a man declaring "I am a WOMAN."

Popchyk · 17/06/2018 10:15

Anna Turley, Labour MP, has tweeted:

"Hi @CR_UK why have you used the term ‘everyone with a cervix’ in this tweet please?"

twitter.com/annaturley/status/1007315316685393921

And predictably gets hundreds of responses of you are a big old transphobe for her trouble.