New guidelines - we aren't allowed to refer to natal sex

*Saggarmakersbottomknocker Thu 14-Jun-18 22:21:15

Can we no longer use ds or dd?

Probably ok for now so long as you do not refer to them by their natal sex or any term that hangs on their natal sex like male, female, boy, girl, man, or woman.
Keep in mind, however, this new rule may only apply to the special class of natal males which must not be named.

Actually Wings Over Scotland did not have a restraining order against him, an Express journalist reported some tweets as harassment to the police, tweets that were not even sent to her and that remain on twitter to this day for anyone to see, and the police decided not to take further action.

As for the polling question, WOS had Panelbase carry out the same poll in both Scotland and England, Panelbase - who are polling experts - have to approve the wording of the question, which they did after consulting the Market Research Society as well, and all three had input into the eventual wording, and they never pose questions they deem to be leading or misleading in any way. It doesn't matter who commissions a poll, it's the pollster that sets the standard.

Both polls, one of 1000 adults in Scotland and the other of 1000 adults in England, carried out months apart, came up with identical results, which is a sign of good polling if ever there was one.

Then we have Mumsnet, the largest online space for women in the UK, 12 million unique visitors monthly, nearly resolutely gender critical and against self ID.

There are no surveys regarding the GRA so not sure what you are talking about re that, but there have been those two polls, and there's a reason TA's aren't commissioning their own.

Bloody joke, I've had a post deleted for calling a (what the fuck to I call them) man presenting as a woman a male name beginning with T.

This site is called MUMSnet.

How very transphobic.

Tsk.

*Im just going back to this...

*If a poc group tell you some of the terms you are using is racist, you can bet they are.

If a muslim group tell you some of those terms are islamophobic they are.

If lgb people tell you some terms are homophobic they are*

Its funny how people keep bringing this up as an argument but when females say no to males (or to anything really), then its the females that are always wrong! We're unreasonable! We need to know our place. Funny that eh?

Woman are saying NO to the sexist, misogynist, famale erasing, homophobic idiology. We are allowed to do that. We are allowed to say that. Woman means something. Biology is reality. Feminism is for girls and women!*

No one is saying females are wrong in any way, in fact as has been stated many times all the surveys about various trans rights put the majority of women in support!

well apart from one single study from a dodgy scottish site written by a man who had to have a restraining order put on him from another woman, who framed the question ridiculously, yet has been championed on here in the past as it's the only single survey that goes against the trend.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3278360-Daily-register?watched=1

#boldfail!

Im tired. Its been a very long day

We know that when we 'centre' our reproductive systems some trans rights activists feel that we are being unacceptably exclusionary. If they bring down fwr will the pregnancy board be next?

Im just going back to this...

*If a poc group tell you some of the terms you are using is racist, you can bet they are.

If a muslim group tell you some of those terms are islamophobic they are.

If lgb people tell you some terms are homophobic they are*

Its funny how people keep bringing this up as an argument but when females say no to males (or to anything really), then its the females that are always wrong! We're unreasonable! We need to know our place. Funny that eh?

Woman are saying NO to the sexist, misogynist, famale erasing, homophobic idiology. We are allowed to do that. We are allowed to say that. Woman means something. Biology is reality. Feminism is for girls and women!

Can we no longer use ds or dd?

I'm going to do that again, if anyone's reading, as my grammar/bold stuff went awry.

So to take @katemumsnet at their word

Kate: "it seems a bit illogical to allow other terms which hang upon natal sex."

So it's now illogical to allow the words 'female'. 'Biological female'. 'Woman'. 'Girl'?

'Cos what the fuck other words 'hang' upon 'natal' sex? Apart from human?

So to take *@katemumsnet at their word@

it seems a bit illogical to allow other terms which hang upon natal sex."

It is illogical to allow the words 'female'. 'Biological female'. 'Woman'. 'Girl'.

'Cos what the fuck other words 'hang' upon 'natal' sex? Apart from human?

Jesus fucking Christ. It really is over if basic factual information cannot be stated without sanction.

That’s what I mean.

Perfectly pleasant people are living non conforming lives and suddenly it’s all about a few activist extreme behaviour. Toy throwing out the Pram, so people like me tbh, your average person ends up more and more wound up and defensive of my space and it all gets less rosy. I’m your average person, didn’t give a damn before, whereas I’m going towards happy to marching in the street in protest

I am still Spartacus.

And this is ridiculous.

We can all see what the emperor is wearing.

It's 'nowt'.

Can I ask, as a natal female - if everyone thinks I'm a man, does that make me one? Of course it doesn't. So why is it suddenly true if I tell everyone that I think/believe/know I'm a man?

What makes the difference?

CurrentCurrant

Erm, will bollocks get you banned

I agree there will be collateral damage but the aggressive trans activist haven't given them a second thought.

This site is becoming a laughing stock!

The sad thing about all this bollocks from a few is that your average person is identified with it. One of the leaders of my child’s club is living as the opposite sex to which they were born as so is a colleague. No one has really cared. They are respectful, it’s a non issue in how they function. No dramatic using of the ladies loo, starting debates, going into women’s space. Just calmly living their lives as they are comfortable and being left to it without comment. I don’t even know their views on the debate, just like I don’t know most peoples. I interact with them as humans and they have been respectful.

Now with all the news, TERF calling etc its people like this that are drawn out of peaceful lives and suddenly a focus. I’ve known one for many many Years, in their fifties and they’ve done fine without standing in women’s only positions etc.

Juzal

That's incredible, as I seem to recall Gibb has said that her partner is a transwoman and was upset about misgendering.

Someone asks the following question.

You have as I understand it a biologically male partner who chooses to identify as female.

And Gibb answers

No she is biologically female

So the question doesn't get deleted but the repost paraphrasing this exchange does!

Come on @mnhq how can this exchange be discussed without triggering the delete button?

Should we also ban all of the weight loss threads and the use of words like fat and thin in case the anorexics among us become distressed?

JuzzaL it must be sharkphobic or summat.

other terms which hang upon natal sex

Could we have a list? I wouldn't want to use one accidentally.

Are woman/girl/man/boy allowed?

It's ridiculous. We're given a load of new rules we have to abide by, yet not one tiny bit of clarification. It's a bloody stupid and ridiculous state of affairs.