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New guidelines - we aren't allowed to refer to natal sex

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Maryz · 14/06/2018 11:44

According to KateMumsnet:

"We also thought it might be useful to clarify our thinking about general terms for trans people. Having said that TIM is not okay, it seems a bit illogical to allow other terms which hang upon natal sex."

Well that's that really, isn't it.

We are all being told to pretend that men have become women.

Am I going to be deleted/banned for this post?

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LadyJaneGreyspen · 15/06/2018 12:56

byebye pronouns. Japanese seems to leave them out most of the time.
Time for English to move with the times

want a job as pronoun eliminator consultant!!!! BRILL and
write stuff so has a clue what is going on.
There has got to be money in it

Baroquehavoc · 15/06/2018 12:53

My line in the sand is any biological male who has murdered or harmed women or children. I'll call them men.

So when a transperson murders or harms anyone, they are no longer trans?

TimeLady · 15/06/2018 12:49

TWMNBN ( pronounced twimbean?) sounds good. I was happy to use transwoman before....but not now.

TimeLady · 15/06/2018 12:47

This reminds me of Maggie Thatcher banning Sinn Fein leaders' voices on TV - so the TV companies employed impressionists to read the words instead.

StepBackNow · 15/06/2018 12:45

I'll go along with TWMNBN. And instead of him/her she/he use PP (personal pronoun). Anyting to make MN see the stupidity of what they are suggesting.

A tiny, tiny group of people are attempting to rewrite the English language and assault women's rights and we are supposed to let them because of feelz.

I don't think so.

FloralCup · 15/06/2018 12:43

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UpstartCrow · 15/06/2018 12:37

So not 'IFOWONO'?

Ereshkigal · 15/06/2018 12:36

YY Juzza.

JuzzaL · 15/06/2018 12:36

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LemonJello · 15/06/2018 12:28

Yep same as leyat Smile

Not using transwoman any more.

Lifesavingorange · 15/06/2018 12:25

I think TWMNBN is great. When it’s banned we think of a new term. Like leyat I am not saying woman or trans woman any more on principle.

Pratchet · 15/06/2018 12:18

I mean, it is a declaration of open warfare from transactivists, no doubt

Pratchet · 15/06/2018 12:17

Same same leyat, used to do it but then they declared war

leyat · 15/06/2018 12:16

Bore I'm not using transwomen out of principle now; in the context of prohibiting terms that refer to men as male cos men who say they are women don't like it, when women don't want men to reduce womanhood to stereotypes & call themselves women and also want to be able to name reality because it is important that we can do so, I find it a double standard upholding male supremacy to say that women's discomfort is irrelevant but men's is important and women must stop doing what men say makes them uncomfortable. It's also coercive; men should never get to dictate women's speech re our reality or indeed re men, and as i say in this context I can no longer use the tern transwoman cos of what I now see that as upholding on this board. Men who say they are women or acronyms should be fine, can't see how they break the guidelines. Same with transgender males, esp cos males identify in many different ways, i.e gender fluid, trans non binary, trans femme etc.

BoreOfWhabylon · 15/06/2018 12:15

No Ereshkigal Not at all. Of course you are entitled to your own line in the sand. I apologise if I gave you that impression.

If MNHQ don't agree with my line in the sand - well, that's still my line in the sand.

Kyanite · 15/06/2018 12:07

Feminism relates to women as a sex. Is this board going to be renamed?

Ereshkigal · 15/06/2018 12:05

And they may not agree with you, btw.

Ereshkigal · 15/06/2018 12:05

My line in the sand is any biological male who has murdered or harmed women or children. I'll call them men. Since MNHQ havevsaid that context is important, I hope they will agree with me.

So your red line is justified but mine isn't?

LemonJello · 15/06/2018 12:02

They who must not be named is good. It was fine for Gina ford so can’t see what the problem would be here. It’s a yes from me.

BoreOfWhabylon · 15/06/2018 12:02

Sorry about typos. Fuck you, ipad!

BoreOfWhabylon · 15/06/2018 12:01

Look, MNHQ have said that collective terms for transpeople that refers to their biological sex is a no go.

Whilst amusing, some of the more creative suggestions are just going to get deleted and persisting in using the. will result in suspension/banning. Which would be a crying shame and wil just be playing into the hands of thebTRAs hanging over their screens with their fingers hovering over the report button.

I'll be using transwoman, transman or transperson.

My line in the sand is any biological male who has murdered or harmed women or children. I'll call them men. Since MNHQ havevsaid that context is important, I hope they will agree with me.

Floisme · 15/06/2018 11:53

I vote for they who must not be named (although in fairness I already have). If it's banned we'll just think of something else. Keep one step ahead. We're good at this.

LangCleg · 15/06/2018 11:52

So They Who Must Not Be Named?

I'd use it but I can guarantee MNHQ will come along and say it's goady!

Pratchet · 15/06/2018 11:48

Do we have a quorum here on Twmnbn?

They is othering tho
Gulag

Pratchet · 15/06/2018 11:47

Trams for trans men?

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