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trans women showing solidarity with women

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speakingwoman · 13/06/2018 21:24

Just wanted to say that my trans friend has done this over the ten years I've known her, particularly in the workplace.

Sorry I can't give all details and yes I know that for many of you the fact she is a trans women means she can't be pro women.

The odd thing is that when forced to talk about trans stuff she never claims to be a supporter of women. No one asks her. It never comes up. You'd have no idea - you'd think she was just another TRA.

Does anyone recognise this? Do we need to invite ordinary trans women to think and talk about what they can do for women?

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PermissionToSpeakSir · 13/06/2018 22:00

Hear hear SpartacusAutisticus

DailyMailClickbait · 13/06/2018 21:59

Trans-men and trans-women can absolutely be allies to women, if they agree with the feminist principle that a "feeling" does not and should never qualify you to legally gain access to sex segregated spaces.

Most of the trans-people I know are quietly getting on with their lives and want no part of the fight that's currently being waged. Many of them support a third space option (male, female, anyone) for things like loos, and are absolutely aware and sensitive to the fact that their presence cannot and should never displace a woman from a woman-only space or service.

Offred · 13/06/2018 21:58

I can see why that is the result TBH. I expect that’s why MN have decided to ban accusatory posts using those terms.

I also understand why it could be considered important to use them here (being a feminism board and the inequality issues at the heart of feminism).

Speaking for myself (and I expect many GC women) - I would and I am respectful re the humanity of trans people. I share your concerns re the casualties that may result re all this amongst the trans community. We just don’t talk about it as often as we talk about women because it is a feminism board.

It’s hard because the space has become very open to public scrutiny.

Cascade220 · 13/06/2018 21:53

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speakingwoman · 13/06/2018 21:52

"I doubt anyone believes any TRA/MRA always in everything harms women all the time. It’s a shorthand for disagreement with ideology."

I expect you're right but as someone on the edge of this debate/new to it I find the sweeping statements about trans women difficult when they clash with positive things I've seen/experienced.

I appreciate part of that is about learning to centre women and girls which this board has helped me with.

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Offred · 13/06/2018 21:47

*idea of

Offred · 13/06/2018 21:47

If it was not possible for trans people to be well thought of on here then Miranda Yardley wouldn’t get so many demonstrations of affection and gratitude every single time he posts. The other trans posters like truscum wouldn’t be appreciated.

I think the thing with TRAs and MRAs is that the problem is not the idea with men’s rights or trans rights per se, it is with what rights are being sought through the activism of each.

Someone will be called TRA/MRA (or an ally) if they display indications of those ideologies re particular types of rights being sought.

You can’t reasonably expect feminists on feminism chat to only see the times when some people have helped women and ignore promotion of an ideology that is harming women.

I doubt anyone believes any TRA/MRA always in everything harms women all the time. It’s a shorthand for disagreement with ideology.

HarryLovesDraco · 13/06/2018 21:27

Trans people can be allies to women as can men. However only if they recognise and work towards dismantling their male privilege. That's not something I see many men doing, whether they identify as feminine/trans or not.