How will we know if we have lost good women?

Surely this doesn't we'll have to call our ex's "she" on the Trans Windows thread? Because that's some familiar gaslighting that I've been through before.

Sweetcorn is nice

Kale on the other hand

Thats the problem lass

Wouldn't argue with what you have said ....however, as far as my very limited memory goes whatever thebewilderness had been doing in previous posts to that poster...the post that was deleted was the potato one

Which looked very strange to anyone not keeping up with all the thread...unfortunately we can't tell for deffo as the thing was deleted

Whatever veggie I identify as it's definitely not okra, which is clearly expelled from Satan's nostrils.

I don't think it's wrong to remind posters that not everyone here is being completely honest about who they are and their motivations. Surely we are allowed to do that it humour.

Yes, but Lass, what is your vegetable insult of choice? If people want to refer to me in pejorative terms, I would prefer to be called sweetcorn - which I regard as the vegetable sent by Satan.

That isn't quite accurate. You have a habit of deciding that posters who don't express opinions which you deem to be sufficiently womenlike must be men. You are not the only one poster who does that.

I do not think it is in the spirit of MN Talk Guidelines to say such dishonest and hurtful things about other posters, Lass.
I have no such habits.

It's reminding me of Sophiapotatoes and the v bad wedding photos.
Was anyone on twitter for that? About 2013 maybe?

Yes, Rufus. On the interwebs no one knows you are a potato is goady when I say it but it is not goady when one of the transgender advocates say it

That isn't quite accurate. You have a habit of deciding that posters who don't express opinions which you deem to be sufficiently womenlike must be men. You are not the only one poster who does that.

The potato farce was because you and another poster were doing that to a poster who had a long posting history clearly showing she was a woman. Your faux innocent response was the "nobody knows etc."

What about yams? Can we say that on the internet nobody knows you're on one those? Of course most of what's referred to as yams are actually sweet potatoes, so...

Give me pisstaking or give me...well, a different site that allows pisstaking. I'm not going to stop doing that. If it results in a ban, oh well!

lang

I'll have to join you

Thats pretty much the only thing i do

I’m Irish and I find banning the word potato 🥔 very offensive. Actually it’s literal violence against me. Are you trying to say potatoes don’t exist? Bloody spudphobics!

We have been instructed to be sensitive to the feelings of those who find joking of any sort hurtful. There is one holding forth on another thread right now.

That's me bollocksed then. Taking the piss is my raison d'etre. Fare thee well, my dear potatoes!

.I've already seen on FB that instead of saying "women and trans women" we should be saying women and cis women
Over my dead body

Am I being thick not to know why potatoes (and yawns) are goady?

We have been instructed to be sensitive to the feelings of those who find joking of any sort hurtful. There is one holding forth on another thread right now.

lang

Aaaahhhh bless

On the interwebs no one knows you are a potato is goady

Am I being thick not to know why potatoes (and yawns) are goady? I genuinely don't get it!

People are right about the word spreading.

I think this is true. It's as though MNHQ has hung on for all this time and is now falling at the final hurdle.

Anyone who pays attention to BTL comments - and especially on right wing websites such as the Fail or Guido Fawkes - will see a huge difference.

A year or so ago, items on Skepticat's assault were being greeted with Haha - look at the leftards eating themselves. Quicker the better if you ask me with feminists and transactivists being seen as equally ludicrous fringe idiots. Almost all the comments were in that vein.

Now, there are hardly any remarks about "feminazis", hardly any such false equivalances expressed, and most of the comments identity the transactivists as a) in the wrong, b) demanding stuff that is not regarded as beneficial, and c) being as authoritarian as hell.

The Tories were the ones to propose GRA reform but they picked up quite quickly that it wasn't the faux progressive slam dunk they thought it was and have restricted the recommendations made in Maria Miller's report - while otherwise pretty much standing back and allowing Labour, the LibDems and the Greens enough rope to hang themselves with it.

The tide is turning. MNHQ should have hung on just a little bit longer.

unfortunately the goal posts have shifted once again

And they will keep shifting. I've already seen on FB that instead of saying "women and trans women" we should be saying "women and cis women"

And again for those in the back seats.

I was a 'trans ally'.

I am still 'pro-trans rights' in the fact that all humans should be able to express themselves freely....as long as it doesn't impinge on others' rights.

But once you witness the potential damage that ally-ship to a lobby that has started to demand the impingement of others' rights, that includes questionable, bullying, demanding, abusive behaviours, that seeks to deny truth, language, the ability of females to define their being, to defend their sex-based rights.

And the appropriation of children's development to validate their adult behaviours and beliefs.

You start to talk.

^^ This.

For those who are leaving, or thinking of leaving, please don't. We need you here more than ever. If you leave then the people who seek to silence us have won. We need to stick together and carry on doing what we are doing - educating, debating, encouraging critical thinking. The latest development is a sign that we are getting somewhere.

Yes, Rufus. On the interwebs no one knows you are a potato is goady when I say it but it is not goady when one of the transgender advocates say it.
When I reported Rat for saying word for word the exact same thing I was informed by the mods that it was not goady. I guess because I was the one being goaded it didn't count.

MNHQ are in a difficult position and must be under extreme external pressure. As Datun says, we just work around the language issues with our customary ingenuity, humour and determination.

I pmed someone last night saying similar

Of course mine wasnt as eloquent, and the spelling was off...and ive turned the punctuation off as it was really winding me up

But very similar sentiment

thebewilderness

That was potato wasnt it...

I dont think there can be any doubts that FWR is being held to a higher standard than the rest of Mumsnet

Maybe not permanently but definitely for a period of time

MN is important, it has a wider audience, the others not so much. There are many lurkers and many of us who only comment occassionally. But when it comes to the crunch we stand with you. Look at the amount of people on the Spartacus thread, again!

I'm really not that easily silanced I was just pointing out when people wish to attack the poster and not the content of the post.