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How will we know if we have lost good women?

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loveyouradvice · 13/06/2018 20:26

I fear we will lose some of our strongest most vibrant voices, torn down by the current wordspeak policies..... Can we keep a record here of those we lose? I do NOT want to forget them.

I thought it was so telling that the GC would have happily kept all language (even the abhorrent Cis and Terf) ... while the trans-allies wanted to curtail as much speech as they possibly could....

To all strong GC voices - Please DO NOT leave us - your voice counts for more here than on any other forum.... Mumsnet is watched by the world and will be responsible for our keeping women and girls safe .... even if you have to clip your wings a little to get your message across, please hang on in here ... IT IS SO IMPORTANT

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Waddlelikeapenguin · 14/06/2018 23:03

rufus Gin

I may have to stick to pictures for a while....

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 22:44

Actually dont answer that

I dont care

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 22:44

Oh fucking hell

Do you think you sound reasonable?

GibbertyFlibbert · 14/06/2018 22:41

"it is clear that this is a support thread for women who much need it and that whatever language they use they are not being goady or intending to insult others, just to support each other"

I for one support the trans widows thread. So long as it isn't a problem with advertisers, I hope it stays.

SupermatchGame · 14/06/2018 22:33

it is clear that this is a support thread for women who much need it and that whatever language they use they are not being goady or intending to insult others, just to support each other

And it is totally understandable that there would be a need for such a support. No one would deny that. I guess the question for MN is more about whether or not this is the right place for it.

thebewilderness · 14/06/2018 22:28

LassWiADelicateAir

I do not understand why you expect everyone here to research the posting history of other posters. I think it an odd thing to do.
I do not know why you have always directed so much hostility toward me personally. I don't care.

I am going to go back to ignoring your abusive behavior.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 15:22

Lovely

Thank you woman

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 14/06/2018 15:04

Me too!!! I'll watch out for the thread as well. It sounds intriguing.

KittyKlaws · 14/06/2018 15:01

I would be very interested too woman , I'll be looking out for your thread.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 14/06/2018 14:55

Rufustheyawningreindeer

I've just started another post so will leave it for a day or two and then your wish is my command :)

The grooming, gaslighting, plus faux victimhood should make for interesting reading on here...

I suggest Red Riding Hood as background reading - those wolves are real tricksters

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 14:28

Wow i sound keen

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 14:28

woman

Oh please do start a thread about this sort of thing

Ive heard such a lot information about 'debating' tactics and grooming etc

Very very interesting and i will make sure my children are given the same information I'm learning

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loveyouradvice · 14/06/2018 14:16

Re Transwidows .. this is the really crucial part

I also think that Mumsnet have spoken a lot about intent and not being goady - it is clear that this is a support thread for women who much need it and that whatever language they use they are not being goady or intending to insult others, just to support each other and explore the emotions and situations they find themselves in

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loveyouradvice · 14/06/2018 14:11

I'm happy for anyone to be pointed in the direction of the Trans Widows thread. We've so far not been targeted or criticised, if that is a possibility I'm fine with it being smoked out.

I have asked @MNHQ for clarification that the thread be allowed to stand, and to continue in the same vein, but I've no serious worry that it will be pulled. Mumsnet has a proud history of enabling women in difficult relationships to support each other and I can't see that changing.

Glad you did this... I think that if Mumsnet limited the freedom of speech in anyway on such an important thread there would be uproar - There are so many of us who know how important it is and who would ensure others knew

I also think that Mumsnet have spoken a lot about intent and not being goady - it is clear that this is a support thread for women who much need it and that whatever language they use they are not being goady or intending to insult others, just to support each other and explore the emotions and situations they find themselves in

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KittyKlaws · 14/06/2018 14:07

Echo chambers aren't the way forward although I think women meeting online and in person with no speech restrictions is needed as well.

I completely agree with this. Debate requires both sides.

I do think a space for women without policing is also beneficial, there is room for both (as you say).

I think discussing alternative spaces is important in case this debate is completely shut down. I don't think these guidelines do that completely right now, although we may have to do a bit of language-dancing.

2rebecca · 14/06/2018 13:54

I've been on mumsnet for several years but only this forum for a few months. I won't leave because this form opened my eyes to the way the trans movement has changed and has started trying to change the meaning of words and affect women's rights and spaces.
I'm happy to avoid using a few words to keep the debate open and hope that in the future the word woman will automatically exclude people with a Y chromosome and the current consense will be seen as a "wtf happened then?" moment.
Echo chambers aren't the way forward although I think women meeting online and in person with no speech restrictions is needed as well.

Floeer · 14/06/2018 13:50

Just to suggest another place we could potentially go is "Discord"

Someone could set up a community page on there. It is pretty easy and self-explanatory to use. It does advertise itself as a Gamers answer to Skype but I've found it to be so much more than that. You can create separate chats on there and create all sorts of rules as admins really easy.

therealposieparker · 14/06/2018 13:36

I've been here for about 12 years.... but I'm happy to be banned. I won't leave.

KittyKlaws · 14/06/2018 13:20

@AngryAttackKittens

A techy friend of mine has volunteered to make a forum if everyone here who's either bailing or about to be forced out would like one. Obviously we'd have to be figure out a way to ensure that we weren't welcoming a Trojan horse with doxxing intentions, not sure how to do that.

I think this is a brilliant idea and would be behind it.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 14/06/2018 13:19

I think I must be stupid!!🤔 what's all this about then?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 14/06/2018 13:17

Ive noticed that 'befriend a woman' thing before

Im polite on here

But im not fucking stupid

Awesome - I am pleased this topic has come up as I did wonder whether to raise it somewhere for those who are not as net-savvy to grooming

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 12:59

woman

Ive noticed that 'befriend a woman' thing before

Im polite on here

But im not fucking stupid

womanformallyknownaswoman · 14/06/2018 12:36

Money, numbers and tech experience, plus a huge number of true believers whose obsession with identity has been cultured and groomed online.

Yes, MRAs are great at grooming - as I have observed on some threads when they try to "befriend" a woman. Seems like MN is the latest target

OunceOfFlounce · 14/06/2018 12:06

Not sure if they're on this thread but I'd be interested to know how any of the regular 'you're a woman if you feel like one' posters would feel if the new guidelines did mean we lose good women from this board.

Would they see it as a silencing of women and a shutting down of debate or would they celebrate it as clamping down on abuse?

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