How will we know if we have lost good women?

barracker

No she just posted again

Sometimes you just have to be unpopular, but right.

Indeed.

If it weren't for many of you British women, I'd be totally lost. I'm stuck in Ogre's British Columbia where he's still trying to get rid of Vancouver Rape Relief, trying to punish women for saying NO to Nixon (who is another man)

You should be incredibly proud of the work you've done. It's paved the way for many women in many diff countries.

Has @thebewilderness gone?

I've noticed she's had more than her three strikes on the new rules thread

It's the bloody Hunger Games.

images of theuterati and thebewilderness fill the sky
I do the ovaries of steel salute

Come with me to Reddit, Lang! My initial thought was, this site is full of MRAs, no thanks, but the GC forums are moderated by women who take no shit.

That's the thing, I can't think of any reliable method of keeping people with nefarious intentions out other than only admitting people you've known for years, which leaves out a lot of people who would want to participate and who're not dodgy, it's just that nobody has known them for long enough to be sure they are who they say they are.

On a side note, I really resent the level of distrust that this issue has created among groups of women.

As Barracker said up thread, many local groups are starting.

Here is a recent thread where you can perhaps find someone near you.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3259777-Lets-meet-up-find-start-gender-critical-feminist-groups?pg=1&order=

We have stringent vetting in our new group, that is good advice.

I am still here and I don't think I've even been deleted today

Careful, you might not exist, if you’re a very naughty woman. You know how words can stop people existing. 😉

With a private Facebook group there would be moderators that approve members. Members can only be approved by mods or invited by other members.
My experience of groups like this is as an abuse survivor using private support groups and we have had infiltrators but they are quickly reported and removed.
The main problem with private fb for our purposes is we don't need support that becomes an echo chamber that only we can see.
Reddit is probably the way to go. Although the new Spartacus thread is still up so that's positive.

I am still here and I don't think I've even been deleted today!

Mind you, I can't be arsed reading all the dozens of pages to see if I have been. So I might have been. No emails though.

I'm going to have to learn how to use Reddit, aren't I?

A few people off twitter have moved onto MeWe, the layouts a bit awkward but at least its a way to stay in touch.

Ive been around for years under a few names, but Ive had enough of this.

Adult males are men.
I will never use any word to refer to them that includes woman, or female.

Which one?

Oh, the deletions on the other thread have started

Oh, and on the subject of connecting in other groups, please employ a robust security method to weed out infiltrators.

There have been posts on trans forums claiming that they have infiltrated groups that sprang from MN.

I think MNHQ is trying to strike a balance.
But balance isn't always what's required..
One shouldn't seek to strike a balance between the truth and lies, fact and fiction, objective and subjective.

If one group states 2+2=4 and another states 2+2=6, the happy balance isn't to conclude that 2+2=5!

You can't balance "we have the right to distinguish ourselves based upon fact" with "you don't have the right based upon my feelings".
You just have to tell one side No.

Sometimes you just have to be unpopular, but right.

Sorry, I know this isn't isn't the point of this thread and things have moved on but I just felt the need to shout out offred and bloodmagic. I'm so bad at keeping track of who says what but I think their posts have been really helpful, measured and enlightening. Would hate to lose them too

I also think the banning of members who continually and maliciously report posts, is a good thing

Yes very good

Although we will never know if its happening

I also wondered about posting names being censored or banned.

Personally I didn't have an issue with the language terms being used. Some of them I found offensive but I recognise that people with opposing views would have found some of the terms that we use to be equally offensive. Swings and roundabouts.

I think MN is trying to strike a balance. It must be very difficult and I imagine they are under an enormous amount of pressure to shut down the debate - so it's good that they aren't doing so. I also think the banning of members who continually and maliciously report posts, is a good thing.

I am hopeful that if we carry on talking, debating, raising awareness, that this will continue to attract more publicity and more attention, which is exactly what we need. We've already seen that the mainstream media is starting to pick issues up - good coverage of Man Friday at the Hampstead Ponds, plus an article on the Connecticut women's race.

TGLWGH.

It's so important to have this debate on MN. Women need a place to talk about this issue. Please don't cave in on this MN.

There's a good chance we are going to lose good posters with the three strikes and you're out rule. The ones who will report aren't going to be bothered about being banned themselves, they don't want to talk, just stop women talking.

I noticed that there isn't any deletions on the smear test thread, so as long as we keep the discussion around female experiences, we should be fine?

You can make private groups on Facebook but obviously the main problem with that is using real names I guess.
I suspect I already got an attack on Facebook when I joined this never happens and fair play for women pages.

spartacus

Sorry just to clarify

All this 'oh we will deffo tell someone and give them a heads up' stuff they said

But they haven't given her a heads up?

What about posters with names that have TERF in them? Will they be banned for simply having that name?