Can we be honest about the need for affirmation?

'womanhood'

Boak

You are appropriating racism. It is not in any way comparable unless you are suggesting that black people are vastly more likely to commit abusive offences than white people. By comparing women not wanting to share spaces with men to white people not wanting to share spaces with black people, this is exactly what you are doing and it is racist. Stop. Now.

"And we know that affirmation is vitally important and there is a conflict of interest otherwise they would not be targeting everything women-only. They would seek unisex wherever possible if it wasn't an issue."

Why aren’t you seeking unisex everything? Because you are a woman, I assume. Same with trans women. It's not about validation but simply flows naturally from their womanhood

Are you seriously trying to argue that a Black woman must submit to being examined by a white male if that white male identifies as a woman?
Eff you.

It's not the same as asking for a straight doctor at all.

That's a stupid comparison.

Woman are abused by men, male medical professionals have abused patients in the past. That's why you have the right to a female and/or third party present.

Saying a transwomen counts as a woman takes away actual females right to request an actual female do intermate exams.

The issue becomes even worse with vulnerable people. I had a client years ago with cognitive issues (being vague) who HATED men. Screaming, spitting, non-compliant rage. What then? What about nursing homes and intimate care in the home?

gib. We are talking about women's ability to have female HCP. Keep up.

And we know that affirmation is vitally important and there is a conflict of interest otherwise they would not be targeting everything women-only. They would seek unisex wherever possible if it wasn't an issue.

If affirmation is vitally important then it should be recognised as a motivating factor in trans people’s lives and activism (applying for a women’s officer role, for example. Or an all women shortlist)

A very good point

"It's racist to appropriate racism and deeply deeply deeply racist to compare black women to trans-identified males. Please stop."

It is not racist because I am saying that the patient would be wrong to object to a black nurse and that's the same if a patient objects to a nurse who is gay/lesbian or trans. As I say, the question is loaded with bigotry.

It's not parallel to compare to race

Black women are women
Asian women are women
Fat women are women etc

Transwomen are not women. There are safeguarding issues with the TW nurse being accepted as female and therefore no chaperone being required - where are such issues with the black female nurse? Are black women men now?!?

*For it to be analogous it would be a black patient asking if it would be possible to see a black nurse and being sent a white nurse."

A white nurse who was claiming to be black.

It's racist to appropriate racism and deeply deeply deeply racist to compare black women to trans-identified males. Please stop.

I don't know where the idea that it is unusual for a women to ask for a female hcp has come from? It's not something out of the ordinary, it will happen every day for every gp practice.

It might be vaguely analogous if the woman with her feet in stirrups was calling the trans nurse names. And saying the nurse's male voice was unintelligible. But she wasn't. For it to be analogous it would be a black patient asking if it would be possible to see a black nurse and being sent a white nurse.

It's still not a great analogy but closer.

I think it's odd for a male to join a pilates class with female friends and think they are the same, should be viewed to be the same and access the same changing facilities

Reality check required! Stop this ridiculous make believe. Males are not female. Have some respect for women's boundaries and suck up your dysphoria until you are back in mixed space again.

How would somebody instantly know the sexual orientation of a HCP? Whereas It’s very easy to instantly tell the sex of someone.

Or if you prefer, a male patient saying "I won't be treated by a gay doctor - I don't feel safe."

"Why the derailing gib?"

Not derailing. It is very reasonable to point out that this is parallel to a patient refusing to be treated by a black nurse. You might find the comparison uncomfortable because it highlights the bigotry inherent in the question itself.

Too many transgender identified males will abuse their authority by claiming the woman refused treatment if they request a female and the transgender identified male takes the case.
That is what has happened and is not hypothetical.

If the nurse is identifiable as a man to the point the patient can tell and be confident enough to ask for a female nurse, then surely the transnurse would know that people can tell she's a man and so shouldn't be offended when she's called up on it.

Like these really manly transwomen must know they don't look like actual females. It's not like they left the house thinking they looked 100% female until someone accidentally misgendered them and called them sir.

I think the problem is these are hypothetical scenarios. Each trsnsperson is different and will react differently to the given scenario and will have a different view on being misgendered.

i think it is an excellent question btw

mobile.twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/status/961014477662470144?lang=en

Clip from newsnight interview about identity politics / individual affirmation replacing politics of interests.