Can we be honest about the need for affirmation?

Typical belligerent racism from a transactvsit. I don't believe you're in aware that Black women have continually asked TRAs to stop likening them to male people who identify as women.

When I have a pap smear I want to feel not only safe with a female HCP but also to know that she empathises because she's also had pap smears and knows how it feels because she has a vagina, ,ervix and uterus and has lived experience of being female bodied. Female. Not male.

I don't think my feelings about same sex smear tests are 'reasonable'.

It's about wanting someone the same sex as me, with a body like mine doing it. That is more important than whether they have been through it (although I think that helps with trusting there'll be empathy).

^^bold fail🙈

Now that seems OK to me. I see nothing wrong in saying "This makes me queasy. Have you had a smear test yourself?" if she answers no, then I think that is reasonable grounds to object. You aren't objecting in any way because she is trans, just asking for someone who has had it done.
We aren't objecting because the nurse is trans
We are objecting because the nurse is male

I wouldn't object to a pre op trans man (but since a trans man views themself as man he would probably be happy to be rejected as it would affirm his male status)

Patients certainly are covered by the Equality Act. The situations are not limited to the examples given.

gib, are you saying there is no protection for patients?

OldCrone, patients aren't governed by the Equality Act so what is your point?

Racist and bizarre.

It doesn't even fit.

Having a female body is something I have in common with every other woman in the world. It is a connection whatever country we are from or what skin tone we happen to have. And we are all different from men. Why the fuck can't some people get this?

It’s not necessarily that women are not wanting a male to examine them because they might be assaulted by the HCP, it’s sometimes because it can trigger trauma symptoms from abuse or violence.

I recently had to check that one of my patients absolutely would have smear done by a female otherwise the patient would not have the test due to a history of frankly shocking sexual abuse.

She has a right to have her care from a women. It’s necessary because otherwise she cannot have the test. It would be harmful. It is not a preference.

If a patient refuses to be seen by a trans woman, that is comparable prejudice and equally should he unacceptable.

Wrong. If a patient refuses to be seen by a transwoman, it is her right to do so using the exemption in the Equality Act.

This example is given in the Equality Act. It would also apply in the scenario of wanting a same-sex HCP.

A group counselling session is provided for female victims of sexual assault. The organisers do not allow transsexual people to attend as they judge that the clients who attend the group session are unlikely to do so if a male-to-female transsexual person was also there. This would be lawful.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7/5/3

The law recognises that transwomen are men.

"For me it is nothing about sexuality and everything about being the same sex.
Ie- performed by someone who knows what it is like to have a cervix, to have been through the indignity of a cervical smear, to know what it is to have a female body in a male dominated world. That kind of thing."

Now that seems OK to me. I see nothing wrong in saying "This makes me queasy. Have you had a smear test yourself?" if she answers no, then I think that is reasonable grounds to object. You aren't objecting in any way because she is trans, just asking for someone who has had it done.

If 'trans' is just a prefix to 'woman', just like 'tall', 'black', 'small', 'asian'.

Surely an analogy to 'what if a tall woman showed up to do your smear test'? would work as an example, if you weren't trying to pull on people's anti-racism and empathetic natures.

Stop appropriating racism to gaslight your way into access to women's spaces, places, and, quite literally, vaginas.

It makes me uncomfortable to be talking to a poster expressing clearly racist views. Your comparison is racist.

So....It's basically the same as racism for a female to object to being intimately examined by someone male ?!?

No it isn't

Am I not allowed to refuse males any more? I don't care how said male looks..his self identity does not stop him being male.

Sounds like someone doesn't understand no all over again....

As an aside I have always wondered why so many men are gynaes. I hate being examined by them and will be requesting a female next time as the last one I had seemed pervy

I'd infinitely prefer a lesbian woman do my smear to a gay man.
For me it is nothing about sexuality and everything about being the same sex.
Ie- performed by someone who knows what it is like to have a cervix, to have been through the indignity of a cervical smear, to know what it is to have a female body in a male dominated world. That kind of thing.

Your racism and misogyny is on all the threads for everyone to see, Gibberty.

It's interesting, isn't it.

Because in all other discussions, we're told that 'trans' is just a prefix like tall-woman, black-woman, disabled-woman.

But in these types of examples the playbook goes straight to the race.

Females are females, whatever their race, height, ability, lack of/presence of womb, ovaries.

Males are males. They aren't females/women. It's not the same prefix.

Sorry, not sorry.

"Please do stop that."

The comparison should make you uncomfortable. Transphobia is just as abhorrent as racism.

Ah! Cross post with Pratchett'

Yes that is racist and you are appropriating racism by equating it to a woman not wanting intimate care from a man. You have been asked to stop. It is racist. Stop.

"Are you seriously trying to argue that a Black woman must submit to being examined by a white male if that white male identifies as a woman?
Eff you."

No I am saying that if a patient refuses to be examined by a black nurse that is prejudice and should be unacceptable. If a patient refuses to be seen by a trans woman, that is comparable prejudice and equally should he unacceptable.

It's always a.Black.woman used in the pro-trans-IDed male rights to access female-only areas, isn't it? And this is just another version of the transactivists' usual likening Black women to "trans women". Please do stop that.

And on the issue of gay HCPs. Mine is a lesbian. I know because she very very unsubtly dropped it into the conversation before she booked my smear. I assume she does this so homophobes can opt out. Because patient comfort is more important to her than affirmation.