Why is misgendering a big deal?

Bewilderness, assuming that everyone must feel the same as you do reveals quite extraordinary arrogance.

@rosesandflowers, actually I think that I'll identify as healthy, because having rheumatoid arthritis is such a drag, and leaves me quite depressed.

Shame it doesn't change reality though, isn't it?

However much I hate it and wish I didn't have it; and no matter what medications I take or what surgery I have, I will still have rheumatoid arthritis.

No one can identify out of the body they were born with; it is a biological impossibility, and the sooner TRAs/transpeople accept this, the better for all of us.

How arrogant does on have to be to declare that if they feel something it is human nature that all people will feel what they feel?
The narcissistic dick introduces itself, I guess.

Gender identity is part of human identity. If you are alive and conscious you have a gender identity - it is the sex you feel you are. The concept of yourself as a man or a woman
I'm crying with laughter. There is no logic in gender ideology. What if I'm "agender"? Surely the above statement becomes literal violence?

Excellent, now I know that the thing that makes men dangerous to me is my gender
THATS where I’ve been going wrong!!
In order to avoid this, I shall forever more spend my days wearing a three piece suit.
That’ll keep me safe.
The more you know

And it's the XY that's important. You can wear a posh dress, heels and a face full of makeup. That doesn't make you female. I am a bio female. I wear jeans, trainers, a scruffy top and no makeup. You are still XY. I am XX and nothing can change that.

at toilet duck and clothes horse. I'm glad they are being validated. Please be nice and do not mis-object them

I'm happy to let toilet duck be an actual duck 🦆

SeahorsesAREHorses' username always makes me chuckle.

Some have. Some have not. But caring about ourselves, our privacy and other women is not necessarily dependent on having had our personal boundaries violated.

Agree with this entirely. I was just glad that SMG was capable of seeing where I, personally, was coming from

Same.

Clothes horse. Not an actual horse.

Toiletduck...not an actual duck.

Gibber
Seahorses are not actually horses, FYI.

Totally agree but we are only talking about women sharing spaces with other women

You mean those women that are men? Lol. You are so disingenuous. Imagine giving literally no shit about women and girls that you have to pretend men are women in order to violate them. Why would you do that?

@GibbertyFlibbert 'Totally agree but we are only talking about women sharing spaces with other women'

That's not what we are talking about, we are talking about female only spaces for females. I'm totally fine interacting with anyone in daily life. (Some people are not but I am.) But intimate spaces are sex segregated and should remain so.

Some have. Some have not. But caring about ourselves, our privacy and other women is not necessarily dependent on having had our personal boundaries violated.

Agree with this entirely. I was just glad that SMG was capable of seeing where I, personally, was coming from based on what I said.

@SupermatchGame 'But I'm assuming human civilisation is in a different place today and that society is making more rational decisions than it did 100 years ago.' Would not appear so.

'If you see trans women as men and feel that you are being forced to accept them in female space I can see how that could feel like having your boundaries violated' It does.

'As has happened to you before.' Please do not assume every female who has an issue with males in female only spaces is saying this because they have had bad experiences of men personally.

Some have. Some have not. But caring about ourselves, our privacy and other women is not necessarily dependent on having had our personal boundaries violated.

What is making me angry is the way women are treated repeatedly across the globe. For me the answer is for women to have privacy and protection. Those women who don't care if non-females are in their intimate spaces are welcome to campaign for unisex places.

The myth of the blue balls from the 1950s! Did they use the same line on you younger women?

I'm in my 40s and yes, often. Sadly I gave in a few times because I was too scared not to. The emotional blackmail is really hard for young girls to deal with I think as we are so conditioned to please.

That's my main motivation for being a feminist now and why I'm so angry about boundary violations.

I expect it's still going on today.

@roseandflowers

Why not tell Sohia Narwitz where she is going wrong too? Sophia is trans.

dailycaller.com/2018/05/12/linguistic-minefield-of-politically-correct-tranny/

Does the whole devalue argument creep anyone else out? Cuz it is men who designed the hierarchy with themselves at the top, and it is men who are trying to create a new class of people who cannot be told no, and have been given the right to take priority over all others on the basis of how they identify. This can vary from one day to the next, so failure to submit to that days identity presentation can get the lesser people in trouble.

To roses "trans people" are put upon tragic figures. She doesn't seem to deny that they have serious psychological issues, which is interesting. She doesn't take into account though that large numbers of trans identified males are cross dressing sexual fetishists who don't make much effort besides a few trappings of what they perceive with their male gaze as "femininity."

Crying with laughter at this thread. It needs to go into classics, although I'm only up to page 5. The trans activists are really doing our job for us in revealing the nuttiest elements of the ideology.

Love LOVE this description of the Concise Oxford Dictionary (or any other dictionary...) as being part of a widespread delusion. So widespread, in fact, it encompasses virtually all of the population, society and history:
Women is generally affiliated with gender, not sex, but due to widespread delusions that they are one and the same it is sometimes used interchangeably

Do you remember being a teen and being told by males that (words to the effect of) if you "get him all hot" and then say no to sex he will literally die?

The myth of the blue balls from the 1950s! Did they use the same line on you younger women?

Trying to devalue trans people instead of just combatting both types of oppression is not only counter-productive and requiring of a lot of energy you could be putting into something else, but it can be very harmful to an extremely oppressed group

Tell the TRAs that. You know, the ones that are busy telling women that they need to make space for male-bodied persons because those men have decided that feeling like a woman entitles them to all the protections that actually being a woman affords.

I don't see women physically barring trans-women from attending conferences and meetings to discuss trans-issues. I don't see women wearing masks and wielding weapons and issuing death threats to trans-women when they try and arrange a gathering to talk about things that concern them.

TRAs have very neatly turned the argument and positioned trans-women as the victims of nasty feminists who don't want to acknowledge their wishes. When in fact its feminists who are being threatened, attacked and bullied by the TRAs.

No, you're not "responsible for their feelings". But you could impact them, which could potentially be very damaging! It's your choice to "participate" or not, with that taken into account.

Given the frequency with which a females are killed for saying no to a males I have to agree that impacting a males feelings can be dangerous for female. This is why we DO NOT WANT to share a space with them when we are in various states of undress.

I'm saying that it would be beneficial for said women to try and overcome that phobia, because it's very very difficult to go through life avoiding men completely

Do you know what, I've had a brilliant idea how traumatised women can have their lives made a teensy bit easier? We could have a very small number of places in public life where there would only be women allowed in, so that even if only for five minutes here and there women who have suffered terribly at the hands of men could have some respite from being on constant alert that they may be in danger again. It wouldn't need to be many places, just those places where women are particularly vulnerable due to being in partial undress or undergoing particularly intimate procedures.

Some of these places might be public toilets, public changing rooms, doctors' surgeries (where a female HCP has been requested, but not waiting rooms), bra fitters and breast feeding support clinics. Not really much in the run of things - it would still be a man's world, and traumatised women would still need support to help them navigate it and come to terms with their experiences. But hey, it's just one small bone we could, as a society, throw them - women only spaces. Who could possibly object to those?