Why is misgendering a big deal?

GibbertyFlibbert

Do you really think that huge swathes of women are deliberately hurting huge swathes of other women and men? Intentionally, as a goal?

The only reason that women are now consistently making the distinctions between sex and gender, and men and women, is because of transactivism trying to blur the lines.

If sex segregation was fully supported by transactivism, none of this would matter.

This is another intentional confusion - there's externally imposed societal expectations of gender: Girls have long hair, I should wear a dress to a wedding.

Then there's the internal self-perception of gender - ie. I'm a woman, even though I'm male.

The externally imposed gender is indeed a social construct like money, with massive effects, the internal perception is more like someone's experience of religion - not something that you can force other people to believe in.

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Pronouns are much more important linguistically than we realise. They are quick fire short cuts that carry all sorts of info to the brain, to pretend a he is a she is cognitive dissonance and nothing less.

@TerfragetteCity

So now you know that you are hurting people when you misgender them, will you stop?

I think you’d struggle to find a “Cisperson” on this thread, if you are so concerned about mis-gendering why do you persist in doing it to women?

I am a cis woman

How is referring to a woman as a woman, or any subset of it, misgendering them?

Gender doesn't actually exist. You seem incredibly confused.

Saying that something is a social construct so therefore it's non-existent is vast oversimplification and implausible when applied to everyday life.

"Time is a social construct. People can't be late."

"Money is a social construct. People can't be poor."

"Virginity is a social construct. People can't be sexually active."

Something being a social construct does not, and has never, equalled it being unable to impact life. It does not, and has never, equalled it being non existent in the way the world operates. It does not, and has never equalled people being unable to operate within and outside of it.

It's not my favourite adjective but it isn't offensive as such.

Is isn't your favourite but it makes you happy? Ok. Whatever.

Have you remembered where your partner was bleeding from prior to being referred to a psychotherapist yet?

She as a GRC and despite telling people here and pointing out that her sex and gender are legally female, some posters carried on calling her male and he. It was done in the full knowledge of the hurt it was causing

It might have been done in the knowledge that should this person be listening or reading their feelings may have been hurt (they can always not listen/read). But I can state categorically, that wasn't the intention.

It's incredibly manipulative and deceitful to claim that women who can identify the sex class of men, are doing it in order to hurt some of their feelings.

It's a weak attempt to exploit the socialisation of women, that a lot of men have come to fully expect. And are shocked when it doesn't happen.

It's tedious. Stop doing it.

Am I being dim, or does "someone whose gender = woman" work fine?

I don't have an internal gender according to all the definitions I've read, and externally, well, I'm in jeans, t-shirt and trainers most of the time, so agender by expression - but I'm female, and an adult, so the vast majority of the english speaking world would call me a woman. The vast majority of the english speaking world defines woman as 'adult, human, female' and not anything to do with gender (which they think is just a polite word for sex).

So no, that doesn't work.

And as to 'someone who could get a passport with "female" in it' - well DP could do that, he just has to go and have a chat with a friendly doctor - that's legal fiction, not a definition.

"What makes you feel happy to be cis and not happy to be a woman?"

If someone called me a "white woman" that would simply be an adjective placed in front of the noun. Same with cis. It's not my favourite adjective but it isn't offensive as such.

This very much reminds me of the exhortations from religious people that we "respect" their beliefs. You can't force someone to respect another person's belief. All you can do is force them, or strongly encourage them, to behave as though they respect that person's belief. So as an atheist you can think "this is nonsense" without ever saying so out loud.

It's the same with pronouns. You can persuade people to use "she" for a man but you can't change the way they think. And most people will go along with it for a quiet life while inside they don't believe it for a moment. You start hitting trouble in cases like Maria Maclachlan's when the magistrate told her she must refer to the man who attacked her as "she". I don't see how someone who has physically assaulted another person is entitled to respect from his victim.

“Someone whose gender = woman “ yes you are being dim. I am a woman. I don’t have a gender identity, nor do any of the women I know. All the women I know have different personalities and tastes. Some have cropped hair, scrubbed faces and post-mastectomy happily don’t bother to wear a bra with a prosthetic breast. Some only wear dresses. Some are mothers, some are not. All women, none have a gender identity.

I am happy to be described as a cis woman. I see no offence at all.

What makes you feel happy to be cis and not happy to be a woman?

I don't have a gender identity, but I'm not trans. I am an adult human female, that's got nothing to do with my identity. Cis is not relevant to me.

So your gender is not a woman?

In that case, no, you wouldn't be cis. Gender is something of a spectrum, you know. Not everybody falls on the left or right side of it.

Im I being dim, or does "someone whose gender = woman" work fine?

As you are discounting the several billions of women who haven't got a fucking clue what you are wittering on about, yet still are oppressed due to being actual females - yes you are being dim.

There’s no such thing with regards to Trans people as far as I’m concerned
I will refer to someone with a penis as “He” and someone without a penis as “she” which isn’t misgendering it’s reality.
I dont need to be told I’m a woman, i am an adult human female so that’s what I am.

I am happy to be described as a cis woman. I see no offence at all.

Women is generally affiliated with gender, not sex, but due to widespread delusions that they are one and the same it is sometimes used interchangeably.

No, women are the adults of the female sex.

Gender doesn't actually exist. You seem incredibly confused.

Rosesandflowers - I think you’d struggle to find a “Cisperson” on this thread, if you are so concerned about mis-gendering why do you persist in doing it to women ?

Can you come up with a definition that includes me, and my sisters, and Laverne Cox, but not my DP or sons? Because I have asked many people for one, and have yet to get one

Am I being dim, or does "someone whose gender = woman" work fine?

"How can that end up in people needing medical attention?"

Because of the psychological distress you cause. It is well-understood that with stalking, for instance, that the drop-drip-drip of low grade incidents can cause psychological harm over time. Being repeatedly deliberately misgendered has a similar effect.

Now you understand will you stop?

"Woman is someone with (or who could get) a female passport" gets close.

LOL!