Why is misgendering a big deal?

SuperDandy apologised for us? No one here is accountable to you, SD, so don't trouble yourself.

the feminist community on Youtube is where I first heard that misgendering was abusive.

Please stop @ing me. I am already in the conversation.

I can't say it better than DMCB above to be honest. What you are seeing is not feminism.

Postscript:

Don't forget that a number of trans-women refer to themselves as feminists. But their version of what they call feminism has trans issues at the heart and centre. This is not compatible with what radical feminists are trying to achieve - which is a total rejection of gender constructs and the liberation of women and girls from male oppression. You cannot have feminism which "centres" a man.

I used to think that, it's a gender expression but the feminist community on YouTube has made misgendering into an abusive thing and if you question someone's gender expression you are a bad person

"Misgendering" is not a concept introduced by feminists. It is the battle cry of TRAs and their advocates who use it as "evidence" that people are "transphobic" for not recognising that someone that looks like a man in a dress, is a woman. It is the battle cry of people who refuse to accept basic biology - that you can pick whatever damn gender you want but your sex class is down to your chromosones.

When was the last time you saw a feminist beating up a trans-woman?

When was the last time you saw feminists wearing masks and physically preventing women from entering a public place?

@TERFragetteCity the feminist community on Youtube is where I first heard that misgendering was abusive. I used to think that being non binary wasn't a thing.

Ooh! My apologies... I did say that - in my second response to you

Ah well! I guess I was more irritated by your having apologised for the trenchant views of women her than I thought!

There you go again. I didn't clan you said every poster was anti trans.

In the post you have had deleted, so we can't now see how you apologised for us, you said there were some posters who were not anti trans, to which I replied yes, almost all of us are not anti trans, if only you could read what is posted without twisting it. And here you go, twisting again.

"For what it's worth, you could ask your trans friends what they think."
Gosh thanks, if only I'd thought of that sooner.

I did NOT say that every poster here was anti trans, and the reason I asked for my post to be removed was exactly this, that if I so much as mention some posts as having an anti trans tone I get piled on. But hey, you just crack on and make up some more stuff you think I said.

I used to think that, it's a gender expression but the feminist community on YouTube has made misgendering into an abusive thing and if you question someone's gender expression you are a bad person. It's difficult to get out of that mindset. I do feel that it's went too far but you know the backlash that comes from not agreeing with that on certain social media platforms.

You used to think what? You think that feminists are the ones that made 'misgendering' into a thing? Really?

Nice side step

Pity you can't modify your use of language so all of us women will accept what you say - if you get my sarcasm!

Also, it's odd that you leap on me for postulating about something in your life... but felt quite free to leap on and post about all of us here being anti trans!

For what it's worth, you could ask your trans friends what they think... if you have time for that.

@DailyMailClickbait Reading the replies I am
seeing where everyone is coming from. You can't expect anyone to know that you identify as a female if you look like a male. It's putting people in a situation that isn't right. It could result in a person losing their job for being discriminatory even though they did nothing wrong.

Christ Gibb he’s really done a number on you
There was a thread here a while ago for survivors of Marriages where one party had transitioned. When you feel ready I suggest you look it up

@TERFragetteCity I used to think that, it's a gender expression but the feminist community on YouTube has made misgendering into an abusive thing and if you question someone's gender expression you are a bad person. It's difficult to get out of that mindset. I do feel that it's went too far but you know the backlash that comes from not agreeing with that on certain social media platforms.

Curious I don't think the word trenchant has anything at all to do with being feminine or otherwise. No idea where you've got that idea from.

I've asked for my post to be removed because I used the a phrase that usually gets me piled onto and accused of being a TRA infiltrator and I don't have time today to fight that corner.

For what it's worth, you know exactly nothing about my close friends, but I'm very glad to hear that you are not anti-trans.

Yes Super Almost all of us! Or rather we were until the recent tidal wave of Trans Activists took it upon themselves to change all of that.

You see, like others, you have just posted on of those lies that has so drastically changed my perspective. I am not anti trans people at all. The 'trenchant' aka unfeminine, views here are not aimed at the trans people but at the TRAs who are working on dismantling the 'pleasant' society we have lived in for decades. Many trans people, probably including some of your close friends, are horrified at having had their identity stolen, warped and nigh on wiped out by this TRA invasion!

Stop lying, stop twisting what is actually being said and start listening

Furthermore, men relentlessly try and discredit feminism, or deny the need for it. It's necessary to maintain their power.

They may not see it with such clarity, but comments like feminism has gone too far, it's about equality, not just women, bloody feminazis, all women shortlist are discriminatory, women choose to work in the home, etc, show that sexism is alive and well and beneficial to men.

And as toilets are such a hot topic, the very first female toilets to be built, so women could partake in public life, instead of having to go home every few hours to use the toilet, or change a menstual product, were burnt to the ground.

By men.

Men do not like feminism. Which is why they try pretend it's not just for women. So they can control it.

GibbertyFlibbert

Feminism Isn't about equality, it never has been. That is the MRA way of looking at it.

If it was about equality, then we would be recommending that two men a week are killed by their female partners, advocating that 117 million boy babies are aborted before they are born, or encouraging pre pubescent boys into marriage with middle aged women, and killing other boys for not complying. Not forgetting that it would be unfair that a quarter of all boys/men are not sexually assaulted by women during their life.

That is equality. If, on the other hand, you want to liberate women from that, that would be feminism.

It liberates women from a misogynistic and sexist society (patriarchy). It centres women, and only women, because that is whom it is about and for.

Transgenderism reinforces gender stereotypes, so does the opposite. And seeks to undermine all the protections that have been doggedly won by feminists in order to liberate them.

Do you understand?

Gibberty: "Those who say that someone isn't a proper woman because her body is this or not that are doing what the patriarchy has been doing for centuries. Even more so if they criticise her for something she can't change like not having ovaries . A woman's body is her own affair."

The problem is that you are twisting a decent feminist idea - that women should own and control their own bodies, that women aren't meant to look a certain way - and applying it to biological males. You are actually implying that a male person, with a male body, is being unfairly judged as not a 'proper' woman. Well...quite. That's because he's a male.You are essentially saying that there's no normative standards whatsoever as to what constitutes a female body, to the extent that males can be classified as females as well.

This is what is so weird Gib. You sound so completely right on. Of course no woman should be forced to modify her body to comply with patriarchal values. But once you realise that the ‘woman’ you are talking about is a dude, your argument goes to ratshit. Dudes mimicking women is literally the embodiment of patriarchal compliance. Not masculine? Must be a woman then. NO. You aren’t progressive. Your partner is narrowing the limits of acceptable masculinity. To the detriment of society. But you are so convinced that you are the vanguard of greater freedoms for all. NO. You are the one restricting freedoms.

Gibb, yet again showing that you know nothing about feminism - nor give a shit. Feminism is based on the fact that women are oppressed because of our sex. Gender is one of the tools the patriarchy use to enforce female disadvantage.

TIM are from the privileged male sex class. Feminism centres women and girls.

You are clearly very much under the control of a narcissistic man. I do feel sorry for you.

100%.

Feminism is about equality. As soon as we move from that, it is no longer feminism. Trans women are women

Feminism is not about equality. And trans women are men. And as such, have no skin in the game of feminism. You don't even understand feminism enough to pretend that you are here, trying to promote it.

A woman's body is her own affair.

Here's where I have a question. I'm inclined to agree with you in general. But I want to know whether it's safe for women who haven't experienced male puberty to play contact sport against women who have experienced male puberty. How would we determine whether it can be both safe and competitive?

Feminism isn't about equality Gibberty, it's about liberation from men.

You are clearly very much under the control of a narcissistic man. I do feel sorry for you.