Why is misgendering a big deal?

Teenagers who have been told that their gender identity overrides their sex are likely to have some disillusioning experiences though few as bad as the girl raped by a taxi driver who said that she kept telling him she was a man but he wouldn't stop.

Roses you seem very muddled, which is because you're producing TRA claims without having noticed that they are often nonsense. TERF, for example. Pick it apart and see if it hangs together.

Gender as social convention is a powerful force. Gender identity is a quite separate essentially philosophical claim that assumes everyone has an innate sense of their own gender and an identity that relies upon it, when actually it appears it's largely only trans people have such an identity.

I don't believe most TIM do sincerely think they're women. Indeed the non dysphoric fetishistic cross dressers definitely don't. They have no identification with women as a sex, rather are sexually aroused by the fantasy of being a particular porn trope.

I'm a woman because of my body and the experiences connected to my sex. I don't have a gender identity. I have a sex and a personality. Cis is insulting.

I'm a woman who feels like a human being. I don't spend all my waking hours "feeling like a woman".

Because if you aren't their whole stupid house of cards and shaky ideology collapses.

If I'm arguing that gender is a spectrum upon which people may identify, surely it reaffirms rather than counters?

It works as a counter argument to the suggestion that gender only exists as a binary. I think hardly anyone here is advocating for that.

At least I'm not stating men face misogyny.🤣

Of course I can't "force you."

Then back off with your arrogant demand that I should lie to protect male feelings. And your emotional blackmail.

Guess I’m a zombie, then.

I assume you're a woman who feels as though she is a woman.

May be we should start calling misogyny "womanphobia" then it might get taken seriously (you know, like the way transphobia is literal violence). Might also stop the TIMs pretending they suffer from misogyny.

It is not compassion to collude in a delusion. We don't go along with sufferers of anorexia when they insist they are fat

It isn't a delusion. When people with gender dysphoria undergo treatment to appear, live, and be legally recognised and affirmed as their acquired sex, then there is evidence that they become well. They can become less depressed, more functional, more sociable, and form more friendships and relationships.

If you support an anorexic with their delusion to starve themselves they will die. It is pathological. Delusional men who want thrones do not become less disturbed even when they become kings.

It was a general comment on all your posts. "Misogyny" experienced by trans identified males is not the sole thing I have commented on. You do appear to have some issues following a fast moving argument.

Sorry. I just didn't remember interacting with you before.

Wasn't particularly aware you were commenting on all of my posts. Still odd though. Of course I can't "force you."

If my 16 year says they are non binary I'd think they had too much time on their hands
What a nasty way to respond.

I genuinely don't have a gendered sense of identity. But interestingly that isn't accepted by the gender identity believers, and I'm told I must be a cis woman.

Like I said, I don't know anyone's gender identity better than they do. You do you.

I can't take anyone seriously who thinks that men are women.

That's okay.
I'm finding it slightly difficult to take you seriously because of all the caps and exclamation marks in some of your comments, if I'm honest.

This whole discussion I think has transcended beyond a level of penis-haver = man.

Gender identity is part of human identity. If you are alive and conscious you have a gender identity - it is the sex you feel you are. The concept of yourself as a man or a woman.
Utter nonsense. Your sex is determined when the sperm fertilises the egg.

You can feel like anything you like. But until someone invents a way to modify your chromosomes, your sex will remain the same until you die.

And I'm not interested in a game of whataboutery with you.

One prime example of how my friend was spoken to in a shoe shop was oh we dont do those in 10, anyway they are more suited to smaller dainty feet, Disgusting that they are treated this way

Any woman with feet over size 7 will have that experience. Why do you assume its because the person is trans?

I stopped going into most shoe shops as a teen because of precisely that type of comment and every woman I've met with larger feet could tell you a similar story.

Men are not victims of misogyny.

But interestingly that isn't accepted by the gender identity believers, and I'm told I must be a cis woman.

Because if you aren't their whole stupid house of cards and shaky ideology collapses.

Or rake it even!

A lack of actual shit to do leaves kids with too much time to think about themselves.

When you say "trans males" do you mean trans women; as in, someone born with a penis who identifies as a woman?

If so, then they can. Trans women deal with a lot of misogyny that isn't really about your reproductive organs; sexual harassment for one.

If you mean trans men, if they haven't had surgery then they're still vulnerable to sex-discriminatory issues.

If my 16 year says they are non binary I'd think they had too much time on their hands and get him to take the drive.

I have to confess that - embarrassingly - I don't know a lot about them. They're Indonesian, aren't they?

Yogyakarta is in Indonesia. Gold star for geography. I wouldn't call the YP "Indonesian".

Misogyny is the hatred of WOMEN!!! As in adult human female. Men cannot EVER experience misogyny because they are, you know, MEN!

Corpse.

Gender identity is part of human identity. If you are alive and conscious you have a gender identity - it is the sex you feel you are. The concept of yourself as a man or a woman.

Guess I’m a zombie, then.

I genuinely don't have a gendered sense of identity. But interestingly that isn't accepted by the gender identity believers, and I'm told I must be a cis woman.

I can't take anyone seriously who thinks that men are women.

If so, what an odd response to a discussion about misogyny trans people might encounter.

It was a general comment on all your posts. "Misogyny" experienced by trans identified males is not the sole thing I have commented on. You do appear to have some issues following a fast moving argument.

Much of your waffle derives from the Yogyarka Principles. These are the principles in question, we are experiencing a drive to have this embedded in law, which requires a wholesale demobilisation of the word sex. You have obviously swallowed the whole lot of it.

Again, is this directed at me?

I have to confess that - embarrassingly - I don't know a lot about them. They're Indonesian, aren't they?

But no, my viewpoints don't come from there. A good idea for some reading though.

Seriously - can you answer? If you believe you're right, then what's wrong with replying to my questions?

Trans males can’t experience misogyny. The clue is in the name.