Why is misgendering a big deal?

And, to clarify, by 'excessive' I don't mean 'melodramatic'; I mean larger than the general discomfort trans people can experience at misgendering. As in actual traumatic flashbacks etc.

Living life without having to pretend that men are women, without having to deal with men who are determined to take whatever they want just because they want it and who scream “TERF” at any woman who isn’t willing to act like their mummy and sacrifice her own interests to make them feel better.

That’s what would make me happy, healthier and likely to succeed.

So are you saying that women who don’t wish to share their spaces with men should be educated out of this fear ?

Absolutely not.

In the post it was asserted that it would be a comparable situation. General discomfort is natural. It's not comparable to the excessive reactions to misgendering I was discussing.

Apologies for not making this clear.

Arguments that are circular
'A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman' are without meaning and make you look thick.

This.

Considering men abuse and assault and murder women every day (every minute of every day) I would say not wanting to be around them is a perfectly reasonable response.

Absofuckinglutely. Can't even escape them or their superfans on here.

I don't think you mean conversion therapy... perhaps affirmation therapy?

Considering men abuse and assault and murder women every day (every minute of every day) I would say not wanting to be around them is a perfectly reasonable response.

Both cis and trans women have mentioned this and it's repulsive every time.

WOMEN. Not cis women. What is repulsive is calling women cis.

If you have a pathological fear of men, that's incredibly stressful for you. Therapy to lessen this fear would make you feel better. You will most likely have to interact with men throughout your life so it will be impeding social interactions and work. If it's caused by trauma, therapy help you come to terms with this.

This is it isn't it? Women in refuges, work on your fear of men. Want a female to give you a smear? You have issues and need therapy.

Fuck that shit.

Rosesandflowers

The language that you use is very telling - you assert that women who wish to access single services must have a pathological phobia of men and should access therapeutic services-

So are you saying that women who don’t wish to share their spaces with men should be educated out of this fear ?

That’s the most dangerous, sinister thing I have ever read.

And who has a pathological condition that they need therapy for to come to terms with the demands of others who don't give a fuck about their feelings, and who doesn't.

If you have a pathological fear of men, that's incredibly stressful for you. Therapy to lessen this fear would make you feel better. You will most likely have to interact with men throughout your life so it will be impeding social interactions and work. If it's caused by trauma, therapy help you come to terms with this.

If you are trans, the only "therapy" given is conversion therapy. Living life as your true gender will make you happy, healthier and likely to succeed, while "therapy" offered has a huge chance of making you commit suicide.

It's about what's best for the person.

You tell us HOW women feel, and we'll say if that applies to us.

I can't work out if the gender fundamentalists on this thread have realised their lack of logic and are desperately trying to distract us with verbal diarrhoea, or lack the mental ability to see the flaw and circularity in their reasoning.

No one identifies as a word if the word has no meaning.

You cannot possess a gender identity if there is no meaning to the word gender.

Arguments that are circular
'A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman' are without meaning and make you look thick.

Here's a very, very simple question.

Is gender a group with shared characteristics, or an individual thing that means something different to everyone?

That's exactly what she thinks. Yet heaven forbid we say that about trans identified people!

Any woman in a similar situation doesn't need to "get over" herself and I would never say so. I imagine it would be some form of a pathological phobia of men that it would be, in which case she needs some kind of therapeutic treatment.

Wait, what?

Are saying that women who want single sex spaces, such as in hospital wards or refuges are pathological and in need of treatment?

If you want your handmaiden cookies that's up to you, but I am not a "cis woman". Males are not a subset of women. They are a subset of men.

Don't be so patronising. You were applying your definition to anyone who isn't trans. That is wrong as has been explained to you. It's not a matter of "confusing".

Roses, are you aware that among some TIM sexual harassment is a very welcome validation?

Celebrity TIM, Paris Lees, writes that being treated like a piece of meat" while on holiday was "awesome".

Who says anyone "fits within the description"? Most of us here reject that.

And yet there you were insisting that I, and others like me, must be cis and must accept that label to be used to describe us.

Where?
This must be a miscommunication; I said cis is not offensive as a descriptor if you fit within the definition.

Sorry if it was confusing.

It’s interesting whose feelings matter and whose are easily brushed aside.

Isn't it just? And who has a pathological condition that they need therapy for to come to terms with the demands of others who don't give a fuck about their feelings, and who doesn't.

Why do I have to lie to protect someone's feelings? We truly are in an era of madness.
To me the pronouns refer to the sex of the person I'm talking about.
And as has been pointed out, self ID becomes meaningless when applied to situations like FGM, forced marriage and girl children being murdered BECAUSE OF THEIR SEX

Is it now that I mention that TRAs actively encourage street harassment? That people yelling about tits is affirning and gives you a quick thrill? That boring old women should learn to appreciate being seen as sex objects? No?

Both cis and trans women have mentioned this and it's repulsive every time.

If people enjoy being catcalled it's their business. If they feel that they look good when it happens, if they find it sexually arousing, if they see it as part of being a woman and that is gratifying to them. Couldn't care less.

When they use their experiences of it to say that other women should stop complaining about it, its selfish and awful. Point blank. I hate this.

"Like I said, I don't know anyone's gender identity better than they do. You do you. "

And yet there you were insisting that I, and others like me, must be cis and must accept that label to be used to describe us.

This is an argument meant to play on guilt and the desire to be kind. Yet when similar arguments are put forward to argue for the protection of single sex refuges, hospital wards etc trans people and those who “support” them have no problem at all telling women that they will just have to get over themselves.

It’s interesting whose feelings matter and whose are easily brushed aside.

It's not really the desire to be "kind." I'd say the desire to be a decent human being. Which is probably why everybody's avoided answering it like it's the plague.

Any woman in a similar situation doesn't need to "get over" herself and I would never say so. I imagine it would be some form of a pathological phobia of men that it would be, in which case she needs some kind of therapeutic treatment.

Is it now that I mention that TRAs actively encourage street harassment? That people yelling about tits is affirning and gives you a quick thrill? That boring old women should learn to appreciate being seen as sex objects? No?