I just peak-trans'd again!

And as for this breathtaking piece of misogyny - aka the most childish thing I've read today

I have told you. Anyone whose ID (driving licence, passport and bank account etc) is female. In short, anyone who lives and works as a woman.

This means that any rapist, paedophile, psychopath, murderer, could be considered a woman, but not my mum.

Or triceretops, even.

Just dropping this here for boatyardblues and Maryz..

www.flickr.com/photos/sweetiepiepress/2785282539

Giddyup, Stegosaurus!

(From America's Creation Museum)

Well this thread has certainly peaked a whole bunch of new people.

The reason women need sex segregation is because they are oppressed due to their biology.

When other people demand that biology is not just meaningless, it's a science fiction that can be melded and bent to their will, they come across as not just unhinged, but very menacing.

The desperate compulsion to scrabble around and find any means possible to shore up their assertions is extremely uncomfortable to watch.

It doesn't just demonstrate the urgent need to keep them away from women in vulnerable situations, it shows a quite profound level of delusion that is nothing short of disturbing.

Women don't get s choice in being women. Whatever gave you that idea.

". Essentially most trans women are intersex but in ways medicine did not understand twenty years ago. "

That's it, you've one. No psedoscientific bollocks can top that. I like how you're not even stating it as hard fact. They arent intersex, they're only essentialy intersex. What does this mean? Do only some of their cells have an extra sex chromosome? Do only some of their adrogen receptors not work?

I did a project on intersex conditions 20 years ago at university and I understood it then, like I understand it today, and it hasnt really changed. Very few people arent truly sexual dimorphic (not bimorphic) due to particular genetic abnormalities.

*It's really very simple. Do we want a society in which some women are denied rights because their body doesn't conform to what other people think women should look like or do we accept that women get a choice?

As soon as we start saying a trans woman isn't a woman because her body is this or not, who is next? Intersex women? Butch lesbians with loads of tattoos? It is a very slippery slope. For me it is easy: anyone willing to face society as a woman - with all the disadvantages that entails - by changing their driving licence, passport and bank account to female is a woman. If she wants surgery, great. If she doesn't, also great. But I won't be party to saying a woman is not a woman because she chooses not to have surgery to conform*

Lol, how ridiculous and desperate - I’m sure it’s going to persuade millions though

Freedom is the freedom to say 2 plus 2 equals 4.

Amen to that. I can barely believe it’s really at risk in the modern U.K., but as it is, we have to keep repeating the heresy.

I've been a lesbian feminist activist for over 35 years and I've endured a fair bit of homophobia: I'm buggered if I'll be seen off now by a bunch of blue-haired students telling me I'm some kind of halfway point on a sex continuum.

It is sad, though, how very estranged from the lesbian and gay community I feel. I helped build that community, along with many other lesbian feminists. Our contribution is not just ignored but actively erased with the bizarre rewriting of LGBT history that is going on. Straight kids think they're queerer than me. Most sadly, I feel a gulf between me and the lesbians I know who have now transitioned. I always knew that, if forced to choose between feminism and gay activism, I'd choose women. I just couldn't believe that that choice would ever be forced on me.

My favourite quote of the thread so far:

"We shouldn't be just reduced to a hole. We're a bit more complicated than that"

Buts isn't that what men have been doing to us for years? Why stop now?!

Tena ladys are ladies. Like fat ladies and thin ladies.

Maryz - Your post has reminded me of Noah’s Ark Zoo off the M5 in Somerset. The contemporaneous dinosaurs and early cavemen side by side in the anti-evolution diorama in the display barn was something special. I don’t think DH and I have laughed that hard in ages. One of our more memorable pit stops on the way to Cornwall.

Gibberty reminds me of my next door neighbour. A very nice man, but a Baptist minister.

He's full of scientific facts, and has reams of "evidence" to back it up which he encourages me to read. I'm very polite to him. I'd never roll up at his door and yell "God who doesn't exist didn't invent dinosaur fossils".

But no matter how much he believes it, and no matter how polite people are, everyone knows he's talking bollocks.

BeeGees are bees

Stop it

May piss self (is Tena Lady transphobic? Is my damaged post -instrumental birth pelvic floor triggering???)

spelling bees are bees PMSL

🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
Thanks for the entertainment Gib and top marks for effort but it's bollocks

What is it that medicine understands now that it didn’t understand 20 years ago?
god, I feel a mixture of amusement and despair.

I'm still stuck at

". Essentially most trans women are intersex but in ways medicine did not understand twenty years ago. "

Oh god. I was a shaven headed army boot wearer in tHe early 90s snogging anyone I fancied.

I got hit by a sudden rush of nostalgia there.

I think we need some good old fashioned MANLY MEN

Like this one.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

I've had to surrender my driving licence due to ill health.
Does this mean I am no longer a woman if I cannot find my bank statement?

Some transwomen claim to have periods... Piles can be a bugger, but using tampons to treat them is probably sub-optimal...........

What I find interesting are the really weird cases from biology. Like this zebra finch:
www.scientificamerican.com/article/unique-bird-sheds-light-o/
where one half of its brain really is male, and the other half really is female. Okay, for a non-life sciences scientist, W and Z in birds not X,Y, and ZZ male, WZ female. So one half of the brain had (almost) no W, the other half lots. So chromosomally different sides, even though same hormonal environment. And different structures (males have the big sing a fancy song bit and flashier feathers, think BeeGees style wotsit!). This is what a true both male and female individual should look like (it indeed had both male and female gonads). This is not what you get in the (majority?) of trans folk, who are perfectly boring normal males or females at the chromosomal level and upwards (I leave out the small numbers of intersex trans individuals).

Isn't real biology fascinating! I'm still perplexed by the THREE sexes of slime moulds (but then slime moulds do all sorts of freaky stuff!). And seems cave insects have females penises and male vaginas:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098221403145
Again, isn't real biology much more fascinating and illuminating than the made-up sparkly unicorn nonsense TRAs would like us to believe as ''science''.............

Oh Rabbits, were you on those threads? I remember them. [grIn]

And Prawn, I think we are just women with women's experience.

Anyway, as an antidote to all this, I just reread this lovely thread

I recommend it to you all.

Warning: it will make you laugh and cry
Further warning: does not contain bees (but does contain Y chromosomes)

Some transwomen claim to have periods...we don't even have that to ourselves anymore.