Ian Huntley

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1006468236483973120

Link referenced in tweet:
edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

But even Caitlyn Jenner admits that people will recognise them by dint of them being an Olympic Gold medallist won when Bruce Jenner. Jenner doesn't mind being called 'dad'.

That tweet by Graham Linehan is shocking!

Deadnaming: What should have been a triumph for women in the film industry, when Bridget Jones' Baby meant it was the first ever trilogy made by female directors, is now considered the second after the Wachowskis Matrix trilogy

www.bustle.com/articles/183525-bridget-joness-baby-is-the-second-movie-trilogy-with-all-female-directors-but-thats-just-one

Gorgon - I'm politically homeless too. I've always voted labour in the past. Can't now (obviously).

Important point shared by Graham Linehan:

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1006241869553127424

Deadnaming is using a trans person's former M/F name to refer to them.

AND because a trans person has always been F/M/whatever they are transitioning to even if they may have been entirely F/M in their presentation/socialisation etc it is also deadnaming to say 'a man named Ian Huntley killed two ten year old girls' we have to say that those crimes were committed by a woman named Lian or Nicola or whatever the Daily Mirror's Lags at Large editor says they heard in the prison shower. Otherwise the Lib Dems tell us we're transphobic.

Is that right?

The stand out for me was supporters of self-ID finding themselves unable to say "hang on, maybe you've got a point, maybe there are problems here that we'll have to do some proper thinking about". There was something Captain of the Titanic about it.

Very Titanic. The narcs among the activists (ie almost all of them) can't even see this, let alone react to it. They can't deviate at all. But the light is beginning to dawn over at the political parties and the organisations who have given reflexive and unquestioning support to the extent that a majority of councils have managed to rewrite an Equality Act they're supposed to uphold. The reversing course is going to be interesting to watch!

Deadnaming is using the name the person had before they transitioned. In the case of Caitlyn Jenner is would be referring to them as Bruce.

Some activists take it further and believe that any reference at all to the pre-transition identity is the most terrible violence. For these fanatics to be satisfied it would mean that historical records of a crime carried out by a man would need to be rewritten as having been carried out by a woman.

AJPTaylor It's using someone's pre-transition name, e.g. Bruce Jenner.

what is deadnaming?

ToeToToe
Alisdair Calder McGregor - is quite clearly a twat - who cares not whether women are put at risk as long as he can virtuously signal his incredibly uber tolerant liberal credentials.

There's a special place in hell for men like him - who would put a child-killer's "gender identity" above women's safety.

I agree with every word of this.

I have voted Lib Dem in the last few elections, having been a lifelong Labour voter driven away by their anti-semitism.

Now I can't vote for the fucking LDs either.

[politically homeless]

I had a thread on here last December about this. And yes, some people did indeed refer to IH as she. None could explain what it was about IH that made him a woman. Not could anyone explain the difference between him saying this and any other bloke. Yet apparently some people are happy to call some men women, and not others.

Rather than being about the precise facts, to me it's a great example of following where an ideology can take us. (If politicians want us to accept a very out-there ideology we're allowed to ask where it goes and they have a duty to give a proper answer.)

It's instructive that when questions did arise, once name-calling didn't work, or attempts to make people feel bad, then it was time to try and shut down the discussion.

It turns out that self-ID, often paraded by TRAs as an absolute, became a fuzzy and opaque thing when held up to scrutiny.

The stand out for me was supporters of self-ID finding themselves unable to say "hang on, maybe you've got a point, maybe there are problems here that we'll have to do some proper thinking about". There was something Captain of the Titanic about it.

I agree this is the real story, because, as LangCleg says, unquestioning acceptance is what supporting self ID means, surely? I don't see what else self ID supporters can do other than keep quiet or talk loftily about not responding to gossip and pray it all blows over.

Exactly. Two instructive things about this whole Huntley debacle:

*how transactivists respond to being hoist with their own petard over a clearly unacceptable (to anyone sane) example of self-ID

*how influencers (institutions, orgs, politicians) respond. Twitter made a big mistake deleting that post. Political parties - will they or won't they rein in their misogynist activists

None of this is really about Huntley himself.

(I'm enjoying bolding all the pronouns.)

The real story, for me, is how political wannabes are behaving over the (frankly hypothetical) transitioning of Huntley. The automatic side-taking, the unquestioning acceptance of the scenario, the willingness to support a paedophile murderer access a women's prison.

I agree this is the real story, because, as LangCleg says, unquestioning acceptance is what supporting self ID means, surely? I don't see what else self ID supporters can do other than keep quiet or talk loftily about not responding to gossip and pray it all blows over.

Wow those tweets!

Not trying to derail, but the root of the Huntley story seems all smoke and mirrors to me, and I do wonder who is responsible for it. And why.

As far as I can see, the story of him wishing to transition originated in the Daily Star Sunday back in early 2017, but it was all 'reportedly' and 'according to sources' - no actual verifiable facts. It was picked up by other papers - The Sun, The Daily Express, Mirror, even The Telegraph - but all just quoting each other, 'as reported in The Sun', etc. No verifiable FACTS reported by any of them.

Then the Daily Star reanimates the story this April, and he doesn't want to be called Lian he wants to be called Nicola. This is incendiary, given that Nicola is the name of Holly's mother. And again, no EVIDENCE that this is actually happening, just anonymous sources.

So, is this just a case of a red-top rag creating clickbait, and the other papers cashing in too with their 'as reported' me-too versions? Or is there anything to it? No newspapers have actually investigated it, as far as I can see. Is that the won't-run-negative-trans-stories-for-fear-of-TRA-attention (though they clearly think they can get away with as-reported-in-the Sun/Star), or is it because they know it's just clickbait crap? I can't tell. There is also the possibility that the whole story has been manufactured to point out just how bad the idea of SelfID is, but that's a conspiracy theory too far for me!

And now the twist of the 'can't deadname Ian Huntley' on Twitter. The source for that is the screenshot earlier in the thread, where xyr2000 reported Spygirl. There's now a helluva lot of tweets deadnaming and correctlygendering Mr Huntley, so if Twitter are going to act on them, they've got a long night ahead of them. Again, I don't know if Twitter is acting on this, it's possible Spygirl's was an isolated incident. xyr2000 is now nowhere to be seen, the account appears to have been deleted.

The real story, for me, is how political wannabes are behaving over the (frankly hypothetical) transitioning of Huntley. The automatic side-taking, the unquestioning acceptance of the scenario, the willingness to support a paedophile murderer access a women's prison.

In particular, one Alisdair Calder McGregor, who sits on
the Federal Policy Committee. Their remit is - "The Federal Policy Committee is responsible for researching and developing policy and overseeing the Federal Party’s policy-making process. This includes producing policy papers for debate at conference, and drawing up (in consultation with the parliamentary party) the Federal election manifestos for Westminster and European elections." So he has a hand in developing policy for the LibDems. And he considers anyone deadnaming Huntley to be a 'transphobic arse' (see the photo I've attached).

So, in short, if this is the type of person guiding policy for the LibDems, I really don't think I can trust that party.

WTAF??

Where's your ability to think critically on the most basic level about what safeguarding is for and who needs safeguarding from whom?

Modern safeguarding procedures were in part directly developed as a response to Huntley's actions.

My DH is a libdem voter.

He's just returned from work, and said "did you read that guido fawkes thing on the libdems?" "Yup" says I.

He's going to write a letter to our local LibDem candidate, as a voter, and tell them that because of this, he cannot vote for them again.

Completely unprompted by me.

Dhalandchips

Briefly, there have been various reports that Huntley now identifies as a woman and wants a move to a womens prison (whether this is true or not isn't really relevant, what happened next is) .

Someone on Twitter stated that ian huntley, was called ian Huntley and that he was a man, this was reported by another user for dead naming Huntley. Twitter decided this was transphobic abuse and deleted the tweet that called Huntley a man.
Since then there have been others defending Huntley and his gender feelz and his right to move to a womens prison.

Aibu to not understand what this is all about. They haven't let him out have they?