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Twitter taking action against accounts that deadname the Soham child murderer?

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LangCleg · 09/06/2018 18:35

Yes, apparently it is.

twitter.com/pamelacuna/status/1005072367918477314

(See second reply.)

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LangCleg · 10/06/2018 17:38

Just posed on AIBU

Sorry for the delay in that - I was waiting for a reply from the mods on moving/reposting. Bad timing over the weekend, I guess.

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bd67th · 10/06/2018 16:27

OMG is that Zinnia person for real? Keeping rapists out of the women's loos is why we have sex segregation of toilets.

We don't need to make arguments against self-id, just print out the screencaps of that kind of asshattery on posters with a caption underneath: "Would you want this person in the loo with your daughter? If not, tell your MP to vote no to self-id."

bd67th · 10/06/2018 16:19

@Magpiesarehuge Twitter account XYR is a goady account spouting extreme trans views. It’s a patody account - not to be believed or taken seriously

If it's a parody, how come it's reporting people?

Magpiesarehuge · 10/06/2018 14:52

Well they have to because as Zinnia likes to say! I winder if they will start a petition for Huntley like they did for Tara Hudson.

Twitter taking action against accounts that deadname the Soham child murderer?
GeordieTerf · 10/06/2018 14:44

I can't believe the TRAs are fighting for this man. He is quite literally the least sympathetic person I can think of in the UK. This will only harm their cause.

LighthouseSouth · 10/06/2018 13:02

I can only guess that Twitter are covering themselves where they think they might be sued and there seems to be quite a large pot of money available for cases like this.

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LangCleg · 10/06/2018 12:54

I know that Huntley himself is a big issue vis a vis the wisdom of self-ID generally, but in this instance I am more interested in how and why Twitter, the world's second biggest social media platform, is upholding complaints made by accounts that are either clearly unstable or parodic, based only on tabloid rumour and not actual fact.

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DJLippy · 10/06/2018 12:53

Anyone started a thread on AIBU yet|?

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LangCleg · 10/06/2018 12:51

I spoke to a senior manager at Twitter last week about the twitter bans feminists were getting for using phrases like 'men are male'. He said that the banning process was NOT automated. When there's a report of hate a member of staff looks at the tweet an decides if it contravenes their policy.

Thank you. That's interesting. As Bowl says, I'm not sure the current application is at all GDPR compliant.

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LighthouseSouth · 10/06/2018 12:24

@GetTheeToAShrubbery - excellent username

" It’s peaked me again, for the hundredth time. It’s like climbing the bloody Himalayas."

yes. It totally is.

Bowlofbabelfish · 10/06/2018 12:18

He said that the banning process was NOT automated. When there's a report of hate a member of staff looks at the tweet an decides if it contravenes their policy.

GDPR also provides for a person in such a situation (who has been banned) to relieve a clear explanation of why and how this was done.

I would be very interested to hear how a statement of biological fact, such as ‘humans cannot change sex’ can be justified as hate speech. I’d suggest anyone banned get in contact with twitter and ask for a full explanation under GDPR, reminding them that a truthful and scientifically accurate statement is not hate speech and that ‘violates policy’ is not a sufficient response under GDPR.

Magpiesarehuge · 10/06/2018 11:43

I wondered if it was automated, imdb ge boards were automated (i think) so was easy for trolls and the easily offended to get posters sanctioned.

I imagine twitter staff generally are young, progressive and on the right side of history.

DoctorW · 10/06/2018 11:32

I spoke to a senior manager at Twitter last week about the twitter bans feminists were getting for using phrases like 'men are male'. He said that the banning process was NOT automated. When there's a report of hate a member of staff looks at the tweet an decides if it contravenes their policy.

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LangCleg · 10/06/2018 11:31

Twitter account XYR is a goady account spouting extreme trans views. It’s a patody account - not to be believed or taken seriously

That's not the point though, is it? This account made a complaint on the basis of "deadnaming", which Twitter upheld. The point is why did Twitter uphold:

  • a clearly vexatious report
  • from a clearly unreliable source
  • about one of the UK's most notorious child killers
  • on the basis of tabloid rumour not fact
  • via what it has said is an automated process

The point is to find out how it has come to pass that Twitter is such a hostile environment for GC views that such a clearly ridiculous complaint from such a clearly ridiculous account was upheld.

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BorchesterTowers · 10/06/2018 11:26

Well, it's a child murderer who likely perpetrated a sexual crime against his victims who will want to be transferred to a women's prison with a fully intact penis and male hormones and male physical advantage, thus allowing him to potentially commit further crimes against females.

This is horrifying.

Magpiesarehuge · 10/06/2018 11:20

Twitter account XYR is a goady account spouting extreme trans views. It’s a patody account - not to be believed or taken seriously

WhoWants2Know · 10/06/2018 11:17

I can't see that there would ever be an official announcement unless Huntley decides to speak directly to the press.

I'm assuming that prisoners have a right to confidentiality, and if anyone associated with the prison service talks, they'll risk their jobs.

TerfsUp · 10/06/2018 11:05

I will wait until there is official confirmation, rather than rumours, before referring to Huntley as she.

Thesearepearls · 10/06/2018 11:04

Thank you Pratchet

MrsKCastle · 10/06/2018 11:03

Even if the rumours about Ian Huntley are true (and the pp with inside knowledge sound pretty convincing to me) nothing has been announced officially about him. As far as I know, he hasn't made a statement about how he wishes to be known. So all we have are unconfirmed reports.

It therefore seems to me that the correct course of action would be to use male name and pronouns. It makes no sense to report or block people for doing so .

(It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever refer to him as 'she'. Even 'he' is too respectful, that monster doesn't deserve more than 'it')

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LangCleg · 10/06/2018 10:54

It's certainly possible that the number of people blocking an account would make the Twitter abuse system think[1] "hmm, maybe lots of people hate this person for a reason". My next job for the day is to submit that account to the gender-critical blocklist I use that I have forgotten the name of.

Thank you. I'm a tech dunce but common sense tells me that a random unknown weirdo (such as the reporting account here) can't be authoritative enough for an algorithm to give much weight to its reports. So the mass suspensions of GC people must be something to do with the accounts being reported. The most popular of the TRA blocklists has 50,000 accounts on it and is used by a lot of people. So that is 50,000 accounts with a potential and possible large handicap to overcome on any reports against them.

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haXXor · 10/06/2018 10:44

@langcleg It's certainly possible that the number of people blocking an account would make the Twitter abuse system think[1] "hmm, maybe lots of people hate this person for a reason". My next job for the day is to submit that account to the gender-critical blocklist I use that I have forgotten the name of.

[1] Blatant anthropomorphisation here.

CaitlynsCat · 10/06/2018 09:40

Guess who loves bigot Farrakhan? Why yes, it's your favourite trans-friendly "'Women's' march'

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/womens-march/555122/

CaitlynsCat · 10/06/2018 09:37

Meanwhile on Twitter, this vicious antisemitism is completely ok (although Twitter have deverified him)

twitter.com/LouisFarrakhan/status/1004515781244280833