How accurately do humans identify biological sex?

That pet thing is very stupid. How would a cat or dog know what their owner identified as? Pets respond to us depending on how we treat them. If someone mistreats them enough to build up an association of fear anyone who triggers that association will cause the dog/cat to feel fear. It would be a nasty person who approached a fearful dog and expected them to 'get over their bigotry' if they were not able to accept that wearing women's clothing (for example) meant they weren't a man.

The picture is a bit weird too. My dog doesn't seem to care much about the sex of the dogs he humps/ is humped by but I doubt he will ever fall in love. Stupid to try and humanise dogs, they are dogs and behave according to dog nature, not human conventions.

That app that could predict age, sex, age etc, thought my primary aged son was a girl. I think that’s common.

I’d also be interested in proper research on whether adults can tell the difference in other adults

SupermatchGame
"Extra curricular activity" !
What, do you mean not parroting "Trans women are women" at every opportunity?

I bring my children up to be polite, very accepting of others, but still in tough with reality.

My son is 10, he didn't laugh, or mock MB, whom he has never come across before, He just recognises a male born person when he sees one.
Lots of people can, you know.

Incidentally I never took being misgendered as rudeness. I used to be upset at how "ugly" I must look, and had a lot of bullying to deal with. But honest mistaken misgendering was never an issue.

I worked with a transman, utterly lovely. She (she has since detransitioned so I'm not being a hateful TERF) worked with me in a very stressful environment with people with a lot of MH and addiction issues. Very very high stress at times. I noticed that the staff tried and normally succeeded in using chosen pronouns but when there was an emergency people would say things like, "what's she doing". The clients, who were often struggling with cognitive 'bandwidth' misgendered her all the time. They weren't being horrid, they just didn't have the capacity to use her chosen gender rather than the sex that she exhibited.

We try, we're polite, but we know what sex someone is. Aggressive gendering from birth is part of it I assume, as is an innate sense of sex. And I'm sure when she was presenting as a man those little misgendering moments hurt her. And I'm sorry if it hurt her. But we were in fear of our jobs. And the clients were in fear of losing services. It's not the A Clockwork Orange or 1984.

Yes, so people on here seem to think.

On the current thread: Transgender Man Jailed for Two Years

The trans man is misgendered continually. In only 16 posts he is referred to as 'her' 4 times and 'she' 10 times.

I think that is very rude.

I used to be constantly misgendered by casual encounters - but I used to be highly muscled, and unfortunately suffered from (idiopathic) male pattern hirsutism so often had a 5 o clock shadow. As soon as I spoke or met the person's gaze they would apologize.
Interestingly I do not recall ever getting MIS gendered by women. Only men.

Children are renowned for calling it as they see it. shrug

Was Burgdorf speaking? They have an unmistakably male voice that no amount of surgery or make-up will mask.

Geez you're rude Super Match. And wrong. He's a child who didn't know (or recognise) Bergdorf and happened to get it "wrong" ie. Saw a male as a male. It's not like he walked up to Bergdorf and said "You're a bloke!".

I know ds would correctly identify Danielle Miscato as being a man

And he would be correct

Not that surprising that you have brought your child up to rudely misgender people though is it.

How could the child rudely misgender this person? Surely they saw someone on TV that they perceived to be male? You could argue mistaken but how could they be being rude for thinking that a male born person was male if they hadn't been told they had to think otherwise? Irrespective of what the person was wearing, since what you wear doesn't make up your gender.

Here you go

The ones hogging the remote control are male.

Not in this house!

I had a friend at school who was female but dressed/hair cut like a boy, at 16 she was still being constantly being told to get out of the girls changing rooms/loos by staff who happened to come across her and called ‘young man’ by all the staff! I also have another female friend who was constantly ‘miss gendered’ because of the way she dressed/looked. I don’t think we are 100% accurate, I’ve seen people out and about who I genuinely am not sure about.

I picture an ad with a cute doggie on it in my mind's eye. I think I may have got the wrong end.

I think there are so many give away a and we take in so much in a few seconds but at the same time it’s sometimes hard to pin point what exactly

Like when you know something isn’t right about a situation but what that is at times is hard to articulate

Often it’s size of person but even when someone who can pass in photos and has had extensive treatment and surgery just something about them when you see them talk/walk/move is different (and nothing can be done with hand, width and shape of shoulders and feet size)

This is why I so strongly object to trans women regardless of what treatment they have using women on spaces unisex need to be provided. Why should girls and women be in a position where they feel comfortable and then they are second guess

And no Paris Lees we haven’t been sharing spaces for years unnoticed we just haven’t spoken up as girls are often conditioned to accept and not upset others, and as if many women would bother reporting the issue we just wouldn’t return

The ones hogging the remote control are male.

Why don't you screenshoot it-I'd love to see it- and then you could add your own words and make a mime. It would be fun to have a mime made from trans propaganda.

I mean, come on, how can one dolphin figure out the sex of another one, they all look practically the same!

Just find out which ones are asking for a (fish) sammich, and which dolphins are rolling their eyes. That ought to do it I reckon.

It's not just dogs: I had a cat who loved men and snubbed women.

Oh - and Lily's Kitchen will never receive a penny from me if they are raising money for Stonewall.

The pet thing us currently annoying me. I'm getting a lot of pet food ads for, I think Lily's kitchen on my Facebook. They're selling tins of food in aid of Stonewall this month and one post that keeps popping up is how pets love unconditionally and don't see gender.

I am desperate to write underneath it how a lot of dogs in particular are absolutely fecking terrified of men if they've had experience of aggressive males. It's bullshit that pets don't judge based on sex. It's a basic safety precaution that mammals can discern sex.

Yes I also think it's harder to maintain the illusion when walking etc

I think voice is a big indicator - and how things are said, as much as what is said.
We are a bunch of arty hippies fairly alternative family, with some "unusual" friends, so DS doesn't automatically assume long hair = woman.