How accurately do humans identify biological sex?

I love how the final word is supposed to be whether we can identify sex in humans from still photographs. When, just about all of the interactions that matter are interactions in person.

All of the concerns about sex single spaces, changing rooms, prisons, sports, overnight accommodation, etc etc are about interactions in person.

Many blokes, so long as they're not completely at the Tommy Cooper end of the spectrum, can be dragged up to look convincingly like a woman in a still photo.

That is a very photoshopped photo of MB.

Monroe looks female in that particular head and shoulders photo as Monroe has had extensive facial surgery to try to look female. Monroe is exceptional as most transwomen don’t even pass in photos unless they are filtered and at an angle.

Like virtually all transwomen, in the flesh Monroe is still quite clearly male and especially when Monroe opens Monroe’s mouth and the male privilege and misogyny spouts forth.

Oooh, look. A diversionary tactic.

Ok fair enough I'll leave that then as it isn't what the thread is about. But as MB was mentioned upthread, for balance, here is a more up to date photograph of how she looks now. Unmistakably female and no reason to misgender.

A relative had a large boxer dog who was suspicious and hostile to adult male strangers- the owners would have to pat the man on the shoulder to show he was a friend. The dog was fine with women and kids, he just perceived males as potentially threatening. He'd never been mistreated either. So that ad is nonsense.

My male cat doesn't like men/males and we, myself and the children, suspect he was hurt by a man as a kitten

My sister has had her dog since he was a puppy and he is wary of males too. He trusts my sister's husband though.

I hate that people think their pets love them. Animals don't understand the human concept/construct of love.

Back to animals, horses are good at distinguishing between males and females.

bronouns

I love this word.

Do you think people should be able to misgender freely in the work place?

Oooh, look. A diversionary tactic.

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0069684

Here is one open access study for you, OP.

Re misgendering people. Being polite and using bronouns and wanting to be nice and not hurt feelings is partly what has got us into this absolute mess and is what helped lead to ‘transwomen ARE women’. I’m not doing it any more. I’m not lying.

I will refuse to use pronouns and use names to avoid being deleted for thoughtcrime but I refuse to call a man ‘she’ and I know I’m part of a growing number of women in this.

DS1 used to be terrible for misgendering people. He just didn’t seem to grasp the difference between he/she, him/her until after he was 6.
He’d be frequently using both gender pronouns to refer to the same person in the same conversation, even people he knew full well to be male / female. We were forever saying things like “daddy is a man so we say he” .

We did have to explain and apologise to upset looking strangers more than once. But fortunately most people he misgendered didn’t take offence.

that's up to them.

Look I couldn't actually care less what pronouns people use for me either, particularly on here. But it is considered harassment legally in work situations - which actually includes most situations either as an employer or as a customer/ service user. Do you think people should be able to misgender freely in the work place?

Anecdotally, my five-month-old dd was passionate about boys and could tell the difference instantly between boys and girls, even if the girls had short hair and clothes that a typical boy would wear, she always knew.

It was this video, btw.

MB isn't wearing a particularly "feminine" top, so DS just briefly saw shirt/face/voice/hair, and made his remark. He's seen enough music videos (and some family friends!) to know that make-up can be worn by both sexes, so it's not a deciding factor for him.

you can always tell. Sometimes it's your gut reaction. You supress it and then a few seconds you realise your gut called it.

enjoys misgendering as a frequently indulged pastime

Oh, what tosh. Language use isn't a sodding pastime, you ludicrous person.

Pronoun usage has to be the most childish of transgender fixations. They're not used to you; they're used about you. It's not possible to control the things 7 billion other people on the planet say about you. People say things I don't like about me all the time - some (many) of those things are almost certainly accurate despite my not liking them. If people want to use pronouns via sex and others want to go by "gender" (whether that be a gender binary or the umpteen tumblr genders) that's up to them.

He didn't make a mistake.
He knows a person who belongs to the heterogametic sex when he see's one. Not mocking, not being unkind, just remarking on a high-maintenance hair style.

I can still remember an incident in the supermarket when my DD was very young. I didn't go for "gendered" clothing so she was dressed in an outfit with no clues as to her sex, and with blue shoes. She did have a lot of blonde straight hair.

We passed a family with a boy of perhaps 4 who commented about DD, calling her "she". His mother quickly corrected him and said it was a boy. He was adamant she was a girl but mother dragged him away before I had chance to tell him he was right.

After that I noticed quite often that unless a child is dressed as a Girl/Boy adults have a hard time working out what sex they are, while children seem to know. Adults look at the clothes and hair and make a judgement.

Yeah my cat (neutered 11yr old male) is far more at ease with women than men, and seems to go with sex rather than gender. Even with a transsexual friend who's been on oestrogen for decades. (Which I only mention because I had thought oestrogen would affect the pheromones but maybe not so much. ?)

Steady on Ancient I was just pointing out that there is a very high rate of (deliberate) misgendering on this forum anyway. The 'anecdote' as presented didn't really tell us anything given the context here. Of course children both make mistakes and speak bluntly. I have a (natal) female friend who has often been asked by children 'are you a boy or a girl?' I wasn't literally blaming the child, just making a point.

You know I really can't make up my mind either. Just when I think, oh some of these posters are all right really and I hope they see me as a decent person, a few will go and say something oppressive and horrible and then I'm back to thinking I actually couldn't care less at all. Such is the roller coaster of emotions that is this forum.

Often on computer screens I read the word "pomo" as "porno". What's surprising is that much of the time it doesn't really matter

That app was very inaccurate. We had threads on it at the time and I'm not the only one that was apparently a different age and sex. Facial recognition technology is still in it's infancy and it is purely designed to compare one photographed face with another and predict whether they are the same person based on their facial features using complex algorythms. No pomo value judgments involved.

I would be willing to bet folding money that if my man-loving cat encountered a transwoman, said cat would be all over said person, shedding like a cheap suit.

(Erm, the cat would be shedding, not the person.)

I've not been quite sure what I think of SMG till now. Having just read that a child is 'rude' for speaking the truth in his own living room, about a person who was on TV and couldn't possibly be aware of what was being said, I have made my decision about SMG. It's not a positive one. Don't imagine s/he cares in the least.