Dark and stormies all round! Bluestocking piss up

Because a man never really knows for sure

Isnt that one of the reasons why some babies look exactly like their fathers? Well in some cases

When Jerry Springer first arrived in this country i watched him a lot (maternity leave and by god id never seen anything like his shows!!) and one of my favourite types of episodes were when a man was disputing paternity and they put a picture of the babys face next to his and you were all like 'maaattte!! No way is that child NOT yours'

These are some really good points.

However, many gay guys display extreme misogyny too. What is the root of that? I am not merely saying sex preference but actual expressed disgust.

Seeing pictures of the archeological remains of the earliest towns in Turkey, Catal Hoyek, (not sure of the spelling) seemed to show a reflection of today's urban living.

There were lots of small square rooms that were inhabited by animals and family, apparently. My gut instinct made me think of animal pens and captivity for...women and their babies.
Not a million miles from being stuck indoors with a baby these days.

Hello everyone
First timer and wanted to see what you are all up to.
Drinking whisky I see, so I'd thought I'd partake in a drop myself.

About mothers, I wonder if the misogyny stems from the premise of 'mummy's baby, daddy's maybe'. Because a man never really knows for sure. That gives us a lot of power. Its never spoken about because we don't want to upset our partners either.

I've always thought men prefer women to be mothers because men feel it increases or creates women's dependence on them

This may be a key difference in the current battle. Mostly I think of misogyny as same old same old, but perhaps there is a new aspect. And now childfree women might be told even more "you're not really a woman if you don't want children" in the same way that some men might say "you're not really a woman if you never wear dresses".

What a time to be alive. I think another vodka is in order.

Perhaps also because many of us are needed to continue the human race but technically just a few of them. As the default carers we perform roles beyond reproduction. They are so easily rendered superfluous. This may or may not just be waffle!

Errol

That's right! I forgot that in my analysis. Thats why pregnancy is the most dangerous time for a woman regarding dv. My partner was 'lovely' until I had a child and stopped centering him. Of course he wasnt being lovely. It was me being in denial.

Mothers are more liable to put the needs of children before the needs of men. Mothers are people who get to speak with authority to males (even if only their own offspring). Mothers are the reality of sex rather than a male fantasy woman.

Some snacks to get you thirsty

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/23/how-to-turn-potato-peel-into-crisps

It is a question of style and degree, I think, rather than substance. The substance is misogyny.

I'm just drinking tea if that's okay.

I can't find a name for it but if there isn't one there needs to be. Its hatred of what they cant have/buy/control; recognition of the fact that for many women motherhood is an intellectual awakening (hence the need to continually press the lie that pregnancy makes you daft); and fear that every generation has a reset button - in the form of childcare and the words we whisper in the ears of our offspring. They can build whatever they want, establish any kind of society, we can sweep it away by the way we raise our children - that is mega power. The only brake they have is the doubt they sow in our minds about this fact.

Sorry, xpost with LighthouseSouth. You're right, it is just misogyny.

Is it because our bodies have been used for reproduction and not just sex? We are a reminder that our bodies are like they are because of the needs of the children we give birth to. Lots of features that are considered desirable and attractive are indications of fertility.

I also think that mothers are an easy target. As soon as I conceived I received a certain amount of criticism and felt a pressure that I wasn't doing everything right, and I still feel it now. Anyone feels they have the right to criticise mothers, especially those with no experience. It's just another group piling in.

I don't know what the word is, I hope it's a good one.

Last night I dreamt that Matthew Wright turned up at home a d work to see if he could find any "hate speech" on my computers. You know how it is with dreams when you can't figure something out....it was only when I was telling DSis today and she said "He is not someone who'd do that" that I realised it was doubly weird, first for the concept and secondly for the person. Apologies to Matthew if he is reading

As for terminology, childfree women are hated too. I'd just stick with misogyny.

I often come in the pub to check ideas so it's my round.

OK. Now that everyone has their drinks, I was wondering if there is a specific word for hating mothers. I ask because atm it seems to me that the current activism really has a problem with women who have used their wombs to gestate and their breasts to feed. I can't help thinking that there is an extent to which the aim is not only to erase us cunty types but replace us.

I have been worrying about this for a while.

Mmm cheese.

I just had a large mcds meal with chocolate milkshake, and now I feel a bit sick... 🤢

Floral
egregious logic fail slapping me in the chops

LighthouseSouth, it's like bullshit bingo out there right now, I can't open a thread without some egregious logic fail slapping me in the chops. I shall eat cheese and regroup.

Yes - there's something very satisfying about a good secateur and lopper session. I could do with some more ladylike loppers though - by which I mean longer ones for increased reach and leverage. But maybe we should take this outside to the feminist gardening thread - I'm assuming that's in the potting shed down at the bottom of the pub garden.

I cannot drink alcohol so I stuff my face with chocolate and go pull weeds in the garden or viciously prune something.

Floral, wondering which particular set of batshittery brought you here?

It's a quick cheers, a downed shot and a goodnight from me, otherwise as a night owl I'll be a wreck tomorrow!

My first nip in here. Man alive the batshittery out there is like a hurricane. I'm so glad I delurked, the relief at being able to respond to the threads is the debate equivalent of those grim sporning threads.

MN often makes me wonder what teaching goes on in some places
Miss, Mrs and Ms were all perfectly clear and I've now I've seen two posters saying
Mrs has become the equivalent to Ms?!

Welsh Rarebit. Not rare, not Welsh. Sorry, I'm not getting much sleep at the moment.

I posted the below on the register, but I think it's worthy of a repeat:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=T2QApwtE8zQ

I was thinking of Bombay Duck is Fish, but it can misconstrued.