Dark and stormies all round! Bluestocking piss up

well, there are certainly some characters around these days.

Not a fan of salty stuff
I once heard that wanting crisps is a sign of a restless brain and that makes sense to me.

Ooh I am so sick of the football. Horns honking every night. Grr.

Crisps - you must have been sweating & need the electrolytes or you just like crisps
Have just eaten strawberries drinking gallons of water it's far far far too hot for me.

Crisps are always good

Unfortunately rather dry and salty - need a lot of liquid.

I have a bizarre craving for crisps

Errol, that sounds like something worth trying!

No ice cream and I CBA to go and get any ... but i had frozen sliced banana, which blended with a little bit of Greek yogurt, a teaspoonful of cocoa and a few almonds was pretty good yet virtuous. 😇

Bit bloody hot out there, I'd quite like a massive glass of chilled white wine but that would be foolish at 4pm so I'm making do with lime and soda.

And also telling everyone that FiLiA tickets are now on sale: www.filia.org.uk
I know there was an enthusiastic MN contingent last year!

Corrigendum = Coronation Street writers having a vote on a gender identity scandal storyline.

Fermats
That is interesting.
The fact that it seems to be stable across cultures and history makes a really important thing to remember and quote.
It's funny how important facts like these are kept quiet and brushed under the carpet.
Actually, funny is not right the word is it? More like tragic.

every excuse that comes up for male behaviour isn't really an excuse or reason of any kind.

I can't make the comment I'd like to make next as I'd like to stay with you all lovely folk on MN

Fermats
So, once again, the problem turns out not to be women's behaviour, but men's misogyny and insecurity
Brilliant & very interesting that the rate is so consistent
I wonder if the rate varies across class/status at all - all the worry about royal lines etc.

Misogyny gets everywhere doesn't it? That idea that women can't be trusted. Is that why female 'No's are never listened to?

@FermatsTheorem

I am so not surprised by that rate.

How have I lived this long without ever having encountered the word 'Corrigendum' before? I had to look it up, and then find out usage versus erratum. Something new every day.

Corrigendum: a quick Google throws up as first peer reviewed article one which puts the rate of false paternity at 1.9% so even lower than I remembered.

I've mentioned my anthropologist prof friend before, and she's really interesting on the subject of paternity tests. One of the big breakthroughs in anthropology over the last ten, twenty years or so has been the rise of DNA analysis, not just for modern societies but historically too.

The remarkable thing is that by tracing y chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA through the generations, it's now possible to get accurate measurements of what's known as "false paternity", and the percentage is remarkably stable and remarkably low both across cultures and across historical periods (IIRC it's round about the 5% level). Jeremy Kyle behaviour is relatively low. But far more men think they're being cuckolded than actually are, if the number of men getting paternity tests is anything to go by. So, once again, the problem turns out not to be women's behaviour, but men's misogyny and insecurity - and fascinatingly in this instance science allows us to measure it in action.

Ha! We had a deal that regardless of what was happening with me DH had to stay with the baby in hospital once born, as it was she wasnt separated from us at all. I had the others at home so a baby swap would have required real effort

lol
I know that feeling, mine have grown now. But back then,
sometimes just sometimes...it seemed they weren't from MY dna thankyou
I suppose there could be a small chance of a swap but it's not on my radar at all...Until they were teenagers

Absolutely thebewilderness

Accidents have happened in the past but to be fair uk hospitals do seem a bit more on the ball

Hospitals cannot be trusted.

I dunno science

Wouldnt surprise me if dd was swapped at birth

Rufus
It must be really weird to not know for sure.
Lying awake at night, wondering
I guess we'll never know that feeling eh?
Shame
At least that's one thing less for us to worry about.

Norther
Gay guys displaying extreme mysogyny
Their sexual appetite?
Where their lifestyle remains at rampant adolescence stage? So having children is abhorrent to them?
Seems a bit reminiscent of how I felt as teenager, anybody over 30 is so old and over the hill.
I am generalising of course. And rambling.
Nagalt, nagalt, nagalt.

Apparently most DNA paternity tests are initiated by men.

Well that would be fairly obvious...as you say the woman would be fairly positive the child was theirs

I think that was pretty much the reason for my freinds marriage breakup...he demanded a dna test

Dumbass...kid was the fucking image of him

(To be fair there must have been problems for him to ask for a test...but it was deffo the nail in the coffin)

Rufus
Apparently most DNA paternity tests are initiated by men. Don't where I heard that though.
Back in the day women could pull that one off a lot easier, or maybe they didn't know for sure themselves.
But they would have known the baby was theirs, so no problem.