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Man attacks women for driving car on road

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KateSheppard · 08/06/2018 19:59

nationalpost.com/news/world/an-oregon-man-broke-a-womans-arm-and-knocked-out-her-fiancee-in-a-road-rage-attack-police-say

This woman did what any motorist must do every work day - squeeze through a gap into jammed traffic. For having the temerity to put her car in front of a man's car, this man gave her and her fiancée serious and potentially life changing injuries.

Men have form for this sort of thing. Women driving legally, competently and, most egregiously, freely on public roads seems to inspire primal rage in some men. Here are a couple of illustrations.

www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/two-thirds-drivers-have-suffered-road-rage-attack-women-main/

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/26/dashcam-films-moment-road-rage-driver-smashes-into-family-of-fou/

Women driving may be legal in the west, but legal obviously isn't the same as equal and safe for women.

We've still got a long way to go, baby.

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Kyanite · 10/06/2018 12:42

They do pick on those they perceive to be weaker, which generally happens to be women and there are guys who think women shouldn't be on the road.

I was in a pub the other day that overlooks a busy, 3 lane roundabout. A guy was in the wrong lane so he moved over (in his 50s or 60s), the young guy in the Polo behind him was annoyed and leant on his horn. The guy in front, who had changed lanes, stopped his car, got out, opened the young guy's car door and proceeded to punch and kick and him. The young guy missed the punch but moving over. Then the older guy drove off.

I only honk when I really have to, when I need them to know I am coming rather than as a telling off...you just don't know what they might do. I keep my windows up and doors locked too.

Rumboogie · 10/06/2018 00:12

Not just women-this happened to my elderly father (70 at the time) who was driving perfectly normally at the speed limit for the road (40). When slowing for a roundabout some idiot overtook him, stopped in front, blocking him, got out, and abused him for several minutes for 'holding him up' - telling him he shouldn't be on the road, etc. etc.

So many man are just arrogamt, ignorant bullies, who will pick on anyone they percieve as weaker, to relieve their frustrations.

Kyanite · 09/06/2018 20:34

My daughter recorded a guy who was right up my backside after I didn't let him out in front of me in a car park (he was behind give way lines). He was so close I couldn't see his licence plate number so she made sure she got it...he dropped back when he saw her phone.

My car isn't girly...maybe I should start wearing a fake beard.

Gileswithachainsaw · 09/06/2018 15:31

Its the same on zipper mergers too. You hang back they pull up beside you far enough to see who's in the car then go from hanging back to merge behind you to suddenly pushing in the gap you left for the car to merge in front of you...up until they spot who's driving they are happily in "their spot "

BobbinThreadbare123 · 09/06/2018 15:22

If you overtake men, they nearly always look over to see who's driving. Quite often, the man I have overtaken will speed up to overtake me afterwards. It's pathetic

This, every day. DH and I work in the same place and so we take it in turns to drive my car. I have a Focus ST in the delightful tangerine scream colour. You can really see us coming! If I overtake, a bloke will clock me and then feel obliged to do the above (presumably so his penis doesn't shrivel up and fall off). If it's DH driving, it very rarely happens.

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BecauseWeCanCanCan · 09/06/2018 12:59

Basically the speed limit was 50 mph and I was doing 50mph in the outside lane and he was angry as couldn't get past me even though I was doing speed limit.

Why were you in the outside lane? Why not move over to the inside lane?

Gileswithachainsaw · 09/06/2018 12:44

If you overtake men, they nearly always look over to see who's driving. Quite often, the man I have overtaken will speed up to overtake me afterwards. It's pathetic

Yeah I mean wtf is that all about. They really cant bare to be behind you even when the road is 2 lanes. They look then speed up Hmm

They would rather be in the wrong lane and then have to force their way in further up the road. Even if that means they stagger two lanes at the round abouts. Than just drive at the speed limit behind you

FairfaxAikman · 09/06/2018 11:52

Male drivers is one of the main reasons I got a dash cam.

Sadly after an incident where a bloke got out of his car on a slip road and started walking aggressively towards my (he had been driving like a dick before that but i didn't have it on camera because he was behind me at that point) the police claimed they couldn't do anything because there was no evidence he was being aggressive.

FFS, you heard me lock my car door as he came towards me. I hadn't hit him, so what reason did he have for getting out on a slip road?

OrchidInTheSun · 09/06/2018 11:40

If you overtake men, they nearly always look over to see who's driving. Quite often, the man I have overtaken will speed up to overtake me afterwards. It's pathetic

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 09/06/2018 11:37

Yep, the man indicating you pull out and their anger when you refuse to blindly follow their instructions and follow your own judgement. Been there. Worse, I once pulled out because white van man was hassling me so much and narrowly avoided getting hit. Now I just shake my head no if I'm not going to go. A lot of them don't like it and mouth obscenities but it's safer.

Mumteedum · 09/06/2018 11:15

I noticed increased aggression when my son started school and I had to do the school run. Some male drivers (the type to be driving for work related reasons) seem to believe that we have no right to be on the road at that time.

One pulled along side me and shouted that I was a fucking bellend for having the temerity to indicate and legally park my car there by holding him up for a nanosecond.

Pompom42 · 09/06/2018 11:02

Yep I had a man well I say man he was 20 years younger than me shouting obscenities at me on a busy A road and kept driving up alongside me to shout with his window down. I had my 2 children in the car too.
He was spouting really awful stuff to me and I just kept saying "kids in the car"
He didn't stop. I ended up taking a photo on my phone of the number plate from back of his car just in case anything happened.
Basically the speed limit was 50 mph and I was doing 50mph in the outside lane and he was angry as couldn't get past me even though I was doing speed limit.

KateSheppard · 09/06/2018 10:51

Atthebottomofthesea

There's also no "evidence" that men beat their wives, or attack women walking about on the street simply because the victims are women, but we know that it is true because of the sex discrepancy in the crime stats.

This link demonstrates that women are targeted for road rage more often than men, and specifically by men.

www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/two-thirds-drivers-have-suffered-road-rage-attack-women-main/

The link provided by DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg fascinatingly demonstrates the surprise of a man at his treatment on the road when other motorists assume that he is female - and the change in the demeanor of the road-ragers when they realise that he is actually male.

www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28027/when-i-stopped-cutting-my-hair-i-learned-how-men-treat-women-on-american-roads/

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Atthebottomofthesea · 09/06/2018 09:47

There is no evidence in this situation that it was just because it was a female driving. A man who is at the point of breaking a women's arm and punching another unconscious is unlikely to go 'oh it's a man it doesn't matter' There are plenty of examples of man on man violence.

Violent road rage is very different to general attitudes towards day to day driving.

KateSheppard · 09/06/2018 00:53

Atthebottomofthesea

You may not have felt it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

Men don't treat other men like this. Men don't interfere in the parking manoeuvres of other men, or become enraged that another man refused to follow their blind and unsolicited direction into a busy intersection. Men simply do not interact with other men in the intimidatory and appropriative manner that they adopt with women.

It is life changing to realise that women experience more intimidation and less tolerance than the men around us, due only to being female. It's normal to want that not to be true but, unfortunately, it is true.

And that's why we're here.

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Atthebottomofthesea · 08/06/2018 23:56

People drive very differently around me depending if I am in the Audi or the ford smax. The former drivers are often more aggressive in their driving style, whilst the latter they just drive as normal.

On the whole though there are lots of aggressive, bad drivers. People are very impatient they want to be everywhere 5 minutes ago.

I don't think I have ever felt that the aggressive angry driving around me is because I am a woman, they are just aggressive angry drivers.

BewareOfDragons · 08/06/2018 21:49

I see it frequently, especially when it comes to merging into slow moving traffic. Men can be real prats to women drivers.

Gileswithachainsaw · 08/06/2018 21:47

Oh god I hope they are going to be ok.wjat a horrid horrid man

I'd never thought that much about it but all these stories explain so much. I have lo g hair and a "girl car" (fiesta)

And I forever get cars tail gating me..lorries and vans right up my backside.

I'm fact just yesterday I had to stop at a green light due to a van who had pulled out of the garage and was practically horizontal across the road meaning i couldn't go anywhere. In fact the van had to reverse and manouvre to make the turn. Needless to say despite the favt I couldn't go anywhere the car behind me decided he just had to overtake me . Even when my Speedo is bang on the speed limit they come zooming up the side of me and then pull in front of me right at the last point of where you merge. They then have to break suddenly as shock horror there are other people on the road in front of them Hmm

It is 99 percent of the time men.

I even get honked at when im.in the protected right turn box by lorries usually and yes I'm within the markings I wa sbt going slowly my crimes seems to just be being in front of them , not waiting on box junctions and stopping to let people cross at zebra crossings.

Correct me of I'm wrong but aren't you meant to wait until they are fully across until you go?

KateSheppard · 08/06/2018 21:39

SquishySquirmy

I had some bin men do that to me. I started to go, but held back a little on the throttle as I didn't trust them due to their earlier driving conduct. Fortunately for me, as there was one very obvious oncoming vehicle which I would have hit.

I also had an older man punch the back of my car not long ago as I reverse parked. He was "helping" me, he claimed, to know when I was near the back of the carpark. The distraction of my car being punched as I park it is very helpful, indeed. Many thanks.

Who knows why these guys do it. Kicks?

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MrsEvedder · 08/06/2018 21:25

@SquishySquirmy just read your post, very similar to mine. How dare we not do as we are told!

MrsEvedder · 08/06/2018 21:22

I also agree completely OP.

A few weeks ago I was waiting at a junction to pull out right onto a main road. It was so busy, I was sitting waiting for ages with a few cars building up behind me but there genuinely wasn't a break in traffic to pull out. Anyway, a car turned into the junction that I was at a white van was behind it. I think at some point, I don't know when as I didn't see it he must have flashed or gestured for me to pull out. I didn't see him and wouldn't just pull out on his say so anyway, it's my judgment not his. He was fuming! He drove so slowly past with his hands up and pointing at me to the cars behind me to embarrass me and show me up. I shouted "sorry" very sarcastically and was then worried he would stop and do something to my car or me. I wish so much I'd told him to fuck off.

He as so angry, fuming that he had given me instructions and I hadn't done as I was told.

Would he have done that if it was my 6ft bearded husband driving? No.

ChickenMe · 08/06/2018 21:15

Yeah that's the thing, we have to hide ourselves. I drive a large 4x4 car and I get no bother but when I had my Ibiza I got loads of harassment

KateSheppard · 08/06/2018 21:14

Has anyone run across the type of man who will deliberately attempt to block you from changing lane? They will speed up and slow down in order to prevent you getting either in front of or behind them.

They seem to particularly like to do this when the lane change is required to stay on or to exit the motorway.

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SquishySquirmy · 08/06/2018 21:13

Also, does anyone else get a lot of "helpfulness that isn't actually helpful" from male drivers?

I know its nothing like as serious but its still annoying!

I remember once when I was turning right onto a dual carriage way, I had crossed the first half of the road and was waiting in the middle bit (where you're supposed to wait) for a safe gap.

A man in a white van also had to turn right, and positioned himself on my left completely obscuring my view of the traffic approaching from the left.

I waited for him to move. It was perfectly possible for him to do so. He didn't, but kept waving me forward when (he could see) it was safe. I refused to move unless I could personally see that there was a big enough gap. Even though I had no reason to mistrust him, who would be liable if he was wrong?
Who would pull out blindly into speeding traffic on the gesture of a stranger?

We stayed in a sort of weird stalemate for ages, with him becoming visibly irritated with me until eventually he mouthed something angry at me and went. I pulled out into the next gap in the traffic a few seconds later.

Also, I am quite cautious when reversing out of parking spaces etc.
If I see pedestrians approaching, I stop and wait for them to get clear. (Obviously.) On several occasions men (always men!) have interpreted me stopping to wait for them to get out of the way as a sign that I don't know how to get out (of the very easy parking space).
So they have stood, uncomfortably close to my bumper, waving at me to "guide me out". Except it would be much easier to reverse out if they moved out of the bloody way! I don't think this happens to male drivers.

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