We see you, left-wing men

The reason for sex-segregated spaces is that there are times when the concavity or convexity[1] of your genitalia matter.

On another thread, I describe a penis as a rape weapon and a vagina as an unpatchable security vulnerability. I stand by those descriptions.

[1] Not in the economics sense.

As an aside, 53rd, seriously, you didn't see the penis directive in Assange? OMG, so frickin obvious. And the lefty dudes of course, falling all over him as a 'man so falsely accused by vindictive women™'.

That'd be a NO.

Feminism is neither left wing nor right wing politics. It is 'woman wing'. As Dworkin aptly explained the difference - RW dudes regard women as private property, LW dudes regard women as public property. If you are a woman in that mix, heads they win, tails you lose.

I will tolerate male allies, as long as they toe the line. But most of them fail, and some are even traitorous (not naming 'Stolenberg', LOL). Basically, I have seen way too many male allies fuck up big time (and particularly on the T issue), so I really don't trust any to go the distance.

Lefty men are also very reluctant to acknowledge misogyny and violence towards women which is endemic in certain non western countries / cultures. They’ll accept them rather than being seen as racist. If you point them out, then you are under suspicion of being racist, which to them is just about the worst imputation, maybe falling short of being called a pedophile.

Funnily enough I was just reading this Andrea Dwokin article about just such a topic
Woman-hating Right and Left
www.mediafire.com/file/gug66adc79rf7fs/Woman-Hating+Right+and+Left+-+Dworkin.pdf

Men like this massively populate the civil service in areas that matter to us, equality, diversity, education, health and social care, whatever the colour of government. They also dominate at the BBC and in the third sector, as someone already mentioned.

EXACTLY.

I am dealing with one right now, about this. The power they have is immense. Men like this massively populate the civil service in areas that matter to us, equality, diversity, education, health and social care, whatever the colour of government. They also dominate at the BBC and in the third sector, as someone already mentioned.

I can never forget though that ALL men did this to us. They all shrugged and looked away.

I’m from a big left-wing Labour family. I’ve recently had arguments with a few family members who have totally dismissed women’s concerns with Labour. I feel like there’s an assumption that women should just vote Labour because women are oppressed and Labour are the party for oppressed people. But with absolutely no effort to hear women’s voices, or address our worries, or tweak their policies to - you know - help us in any way.

It really, really pisses me off. And more so in that I can’t even argue my case because they just will not listen. Grrrr.

I think left wing men identify with being right.

They also identity as our representation. Which is why they get so bloody abusive when we say fuck off, we can represent ourselves thanks, and we disagree with you.

I also find this brand of misogyny gets worse the higher up the class/education level you go.

If you want to get really angry take a look at this thread and the rest of this 'intersectional' 'feminist' 'socialist' man's twitter twitter.com/antiracist_ally/status/1004726048792117248?s=21

What I take objection to is being told, in effect, “this therefore proves we are not sexist and excuses the left from any criticism about how women are treated in the movement.”

I see it as "If you criticise us, you are with the enemy and therefore evil. STFU and fall into line."

I’d been wondering whether to start a thread about the Labour movement and women’s work.

Cf. Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell over Redcar Steelworks vs what have they had to say about Mothercare closing? No ‘top level pressure’ there. They just like men to have man work.

And, obviously metal bashing metal should be paid more than folding clothes and being friendly. Obviously!

It's not new. The early Labour Party didn't support the battle for votes for women because they thought it was a distraction from equal votes for men.

How have Left wing men given us more scraps than Right wing? Isn't this perception rather than reality.

It's been a massive eye opener for me. That comparison of retail and mining is shocking. The truth is we need politically to join as women. Both Right Left and Liberal are showing that their make dominance will happily throw women under a bus and The Women's party seem sadly to be far left handmaidens.

Christ, that thing about retail workers need occurred to me.

I also consider myself left politically, but I have to say, this issue has been an eye opener for me.

I think left wing men identify with being right. On everything. So to criticise them for their attitudes isn’t criticising their opinion it’s criticising THEM.

The right seem to have more of an opinion based opinion, as opposed to the above (terribly put I’m sorry, I’m sure there’s a more eloquent way of saying this.) you criticise their opinion, not their very being.

I think this ties into the criticisms each side throw at each other. The left are very into the evil tories trope - the person themselves is evil and this everything they do is wrong. The right seem to criticise the lefties more for ‘you are being ridiculous on this issue.’

'their opinions can't be challenged because then they might not be the most right, and the nicest guy.'

Yes, this EXACTLY.

Left-wing men I find are normally left wing because they want to be seen as a 'nice-guy' and like the praise that essentially comes from being politically correct.

A traditional right wing man is often just dismissed as a bigot etc, but a left wing man has all the power because his opinions are seen as 'fact' and 'right' there is constant ego-boosting. It is absolutely nothing to do with what he really perceives to be right and all to do with power.

The whole trans thing is perfect for these men, they can maintain the praise and power of being the clever, politically correct man and indulge in their mysogony.

They dislike outspoken women who challenge their opinion because they are used to everyone just bowing down to them, their opinions can't be challenged because then they might not be the most right, and the nicest guy.

*fazed not phased, obviously

The ‘further left’ have never, ever been female-centric.

Look at all the job losses in retail - a million will go this year. More than the loss of all UK mining jobs ever. Do you see them protesting? No, it’s women work. You can bet it would be different if it was steel worker jobs.

The Tories are more about individualism. That’s why they aren’t phased by talented women. It doesn’t mean they aren’t sexist, just that they don’t have such a blanket view.