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That’s what I came up with on Google! I’m not seeing the relevance here. Am I just having a stupid moment (probably!)?

I think some (but not all) of us can agree the link with being trans is at best very, very tenuous.

For the record, I don't think it's the least bit tenuous. The similarities are blindingly obvious.

and there are many many benefits that being a transwoman can bring to a man.

I think there's greater stigma and potential harm (emotional or perhaps even physical) than benefit, don't you?

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In fact, I can;t think of a prominets TIM who hasn't significantly gained thanks to his trans status.

Lily Madigan - Labour Women's Officer - formerly an unknown student now a widely recognised public figure.
Ditto Paris Lees, Shon Fae et al -all enjoy media fame

Caitlyn Jenner - arguably escaped from media vilification re: driving incident to being feted as woman of the year a few months later.

and there are many many benefits that being a transwoman can bring to a man.

I think its a valid comparison.

Transwomen benefit from being socialised as male from birth with all the attendant privileges that brings.
Transwomen who don't have surgery - the vast majority from what I've read - can opt to return to their male identity if they choose.

Man uses rich daddy to buy new rules for weightlifting.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/03/21/new-zealand-man-gavin-laurel-hubbard-sweeps-womens-weightlifting-competition/

Gavin “Laurel” Hubbard, 39, was a one-time nationally ranked weightlifter in his twenties [2] but he failed to make his mark competing against other males. He remained active in the sport, funding various events and serving as the Executive Officer of OWNZ (Olympic Wrestling of New Zealand) until his position was eliminated last year. [3]

Hubbard responded to the loss of his authority by funding a new state-of-the-art weightlifting facility to host and sponsor the OWNZ competition itself. [4]

OWNZ then authorized the women’s competition that Hubbard won on Sunday March 19 at the Australasion Championships in Melbourne.

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I can but don't think we are being allowed to today.

I can't think of any parallels whereby a lad identifies as something he isn't in order to win a prize or scholarship. Can anyone else think of one?

I think some (but not all) of us can agree the link with being trans is at best very, very tenuous.

Haven't seen the film. Did the guy have a nice, pleasant time pretending to be black? Was everybody really nice to him? Was it totally worth it to get the scholarship, even if he could "go back" at any time?

I'm not sure how accurate a representation that would be to be honest, but more importantly I don't think someone masquerading as the opposite sex to gain an advantage would have it quite so easy in real life... So it's probably a reeeaallly long shot to think anyone but the very dimmest among us would try it.

That's the problem with fictional films; you can never be sure how much of what they show is what would actually happen. If he had an awful time and learnt a valuable lesson or if he celebrated his easy win over human decency, who knows whether either's realistic. The truth is, to me, the idea of pretending to be one sex or the other without a really, really pressing existential reason seems pretty far fetched in most scenarios, and couldn't really achieve an awful lot.

Thank you daim

I dont think that being a transwomen necessarily gives you the same privilege as a male (ive no idea to be honest)

But i do think that in some cases if it were a life or death situation that people could ACT at least if they werent female, which is were i think the OP was coming from (could be wrong as shes not come back yet)

The same thing with being gay, ds1 could hide that fact (he has been told he is too straight to be gay) but I honestly dont think his boyfriend could

I hope that makes sense

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Okay point taken, let's go with 'some'

I also interpreted the OP as saying some disingenuous trans women will retain their male privilege and I disagree.

I do not see how being a trans women gives you the same privilege as being male.

I am as happy as larry to use the word SOME

I think its would be fair enough to say that SOME people who identify as ABC are being disingenuous

But i think its unfair and an outright lie to say that the OP means every single person who identifies as ABC

But then i quite like nuance...and i dont make shit up (on here at least

Meh, I think it can be sometimes useful and sometimes not. I think sometimes it's the same as saying, "you do realise that it looks like you're saying xyz to anyone looking at it from this perspective; is that what you meant to say?". Fair enough. The sometimes people mean it to set up a straw man argument. As with so many things it's all a question of intent I think.

FWIW I'm hopeful the OP didn't mean to liken the deliberate defrauding by the film's protagonist to all trans people, but I can see what daim's saying that it's easy to interpret it that way what with that being quite a central tenet of the story.

...and also the OP's second paragraph which, well, does rather suggest that's the comparison she's making.

yeah its relevent because both are appropriation

I think it's already been explained why it is relevant. You just don't seem to like the comparison, daim.

I don’t think it’s a good enough movie to use or discuss in any part of the debate really. It handles the subject of appropriation badly and uses it as a set-up for a load of weak and stereotypical jokes - typical 80s laddish comedy stuff.

Well obviously

To be fair she's not had much of a chance with all the 'suggesting'

And i think that all sorts of people can be disingenuous

And that includes all men and women however they identify

Nice to see you again btw! RatRolyPoly

It would be good for the OP to clarify exactly how she sees this being relevant to the trans debate?