Two boys take 1st and 2nd place in Connecticut girls' 100m sprint

Pretty much. I know I do often get rather Yorkshire terrier when it comes to TRAs and their Bad Science, but I’m basically Gandalf on that bridge yelling ‘you shall not pass!’ At the buggers.

Someone has to, and I’m not brave enough to don a mankini ...

I'm responding to BaroqueHavoc responding to me! .

To which the obvious response is "But they weren't"

Or are we legislating for "ifs" now.

"If I was a bit brighter, I would have won a Nobel Prize, (so give it to me!)" sort of thing?

rooted in the widely-held beliefs about fairness and the biological advantages associated with being male. Such beliefs are over-simplistic

And yet Science shows otherwise. Such beliefs are not over simplistic, they are objectively measurable. Testable, measurable, the lot.

Science is not a belief based system. Its objective.

If anyone is wondering why TRAs come on here with their ‘science facts’ and a few of us Will Not Let It Lie - even though we know they are GFs - it’s this. Science is objective. Science is not belief based. Science blows TRA claims out of the water.

That's to SuitedandBooted link

Is that saying that if this boy was born female, they may have won, therefore the advantage they have isn't important?

And in other News, Loughborough Uni has decided to follow the money.

www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ssehs/research/centrefordoctoraltraining/

5 PhD's up for grabs:

"One of the most influential, powerful and visible institutions upholding the gender binary is sport – where participation is predominantly segregated by biological sex, rooted in the widely-held beliefs about fairness and the biological advantages associated with being male. Such beliefs are over-simplistic, legitimise discrimination, and hinder the sports participation of transgender (intersex, trans, non-binary) individuals. With the rapidly growing societal visibility of transgender people, there is an unprecedented need to address areas where discrimination may arise"

I do like to see an open-minded starting premise

“A transgender girl is a girl and ought to be treated like a girl,” Erin Buzuvis, the law professor who is the director of the Center of Gender and Sexuality Studies at Western New England College

Clearly Erin doesn’t have a background in biology. Or science. But does have a vested interest in the Gender and sexuality studies dept. I suspect the POMO is strong there... and the lawsuits to be had! Kerchiiiiiing!

That is such a weird thing to write

Just posted this on AIBU MIRROR THREAD come and join in ..

The push-back is starting, I hope other parents really take it up and run (sorry!) with it;

usatodayhss.com/2018/connecticut-parents-ban-transgender-track-athletes

Not sure where to begin with this from the article .. ......

“I understand that it appears to many people as an inequitable playing field, but they don’t have any context or knowledge about how that athlete’s life would be if she weren’t transgender. And it would be possible she’d be beating their daughters if she was cisgender (someone who identifies with their birth sex).”

I suppose it's an admission that people who understand biology are 'outliers' in the trans mindset.

MY seems to have sufficient objectivity to recognise that he has a disorder.

Gende dysphoric men should not be entitled to impose a disordered understanding of reality on women, particularly not if it diminishes women’s rights

Actually it reminds me of a boy I was at school with who was quite feminine. He got a bit of ribbing over it but nothing worse than other kids for a million other things.

Years later we all linked up on Friends Reunited and he was on there 'hi - I'm now living in the states with my WIFE and 3 KIDS - bet you all thought I was gay!!!'

Maybe it's more - we should accept 'feminine' boys and 'masculine' girls and not to persuade children that this means that they are trans.

What they see themselves as is not what they are.

Transwomen are not women, but trans rights are women's rights.

Men should accept feminine men

That's it isn't it - that would solve a lot of this.

No it wouldn't solve any of it. The vast majority of trans women do not see themselves as men. Not any type of man. Hence the diagnosis and treatment. MY is a complete outlier (to put it politely).

Has anyone on twitter asked him what sex the people are who are literally killing them?
So women should move over because men hurt people who look different, god forbid he should challenge the men behind the violence.

It’s interesting that on Twitter the large proportion of men who are decrying this situation are not challenged by TRAs in the way that women would be.

It’s all just one big boy’s club isn’t it.

Freedom to openly speak about this topic effectively does not exist

Without doubt true. My boss has stopped speaking to me totally.

We all know that this happens in other sports too.

off.road.cc/content/news/transgender-rider-causes-confusion-for-new-zealand-downhill-race-field-1506

"The news comes as a result of Kate Weatherly's involvement in races but not because she's a transgender rider, but because there was just a three-week period between her competing in male and female categories. Last Sunday Weatherly won the national women's DH championship, 13 seconds ahead of her closest competitor, Shania Rawson, but up until December last year rode in the men's categories."

I just looked up the world records for the 400m:

Men - 43.03 seconds
Women - 47.60 seconds

Incidentally Oscar Pistorius ran the 400m heat at the 2012 Olympics in 45.44 seconds.

and that lefty dude bloke just wants us to let them have this one? Has anyone on twitter asked him what sex the people are who are literally killing trans people because they don't like them?

Women's sporting achievements will be wiped out within a decade if this madness is allowed to continue.

Sorry, wrong thread!

I am watching - belatedly. I agree with posie about mean speaking out about identity politics. For themselves. It's embarrassing to me that what led me to feminism was actually becoming aware of the gender stereotyping that boys experience (I have two sons). I married a man who was more aware of this stuff that I was, luckily. I thank his feminist mum (my MIL)

I would also add that this issue has divided many relationships. Some of my friendships with my liberal feminist friends became strained when I couldn't play along anymore, and we really no longer talk/associate. They strongly feel that transwomen are women, feminism must be inclusive, and any dissenting opinion is hatred and bigotry. My very liberal, "woke" brother-in-law and I got into it when he accused me of filling my sister with "hate."

I have to be very, very careful though, with public discourse on this. I could potentially lose my professional affiliations, my reputation, potentially even my license to practice. Freedom to openly speak about this topic effectively does not exist, despite our Constitutional right to do so. Very dystopian.

This is such a mess. What the hell are liberal feminists doing supporting it?

That simply didn't happen here.

A lot of people don’t want it talked about here either. That’s why things like ManFriday are so important.

It may still go through, who knows? But we will not go down without a fight!