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Two boys take 1st and 2nd place in Connecticut girls' 100m sprint

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OrchidInTheSun · 07/06/2018 11:30

twitter.com/GameTimeCT/status/1003739370736816129

Isn't that great? Terry has got the fastest ever meet time for a girl! Poor Bridget is now third.

I wonder if Terry and Andraya will now get university scholarships based on their poor track performances when compared to their male peers?

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OrchidInTheSun · 07/06/2018 17:08

That is a really good article Jelly. Loopy - I think they would be entitled. Wellesley, Bryn Mawr and Barnard (women only universities) already accept trans students so I can't see how or why they would bar them from applying for scholarships

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FermatsTheorem · 07/06/2018 17:06

I expect we'll find out in a year or so when Andraya and Terry get athletics scholarships to top schools, Loopy.

Loopytiles · 07/06/2018 17:04

What are the universities’ scholarship policies on this?

FermatsTheorem · 07/06/2018 17:01

Very good article, Jelly, and explains perfectly why the "well, why not all boycott/speak out" option really isn't as easy as people make it out to be.

JellySlice · 07/06/2018 16:37

The behaviour expected from the female athletes, the societal pressure imposed upon them and the effects on their futures are not new. [[
https://4thwavenow.com/2018/04/15/surly-shirley-and-the-assault-on-womens-sport-then-and-now/amp/?twitterr_impression=true It's happened before, and nobody seemed to care then, either.]]

Urbanbeetler · 07/06/2018 16:13

I wonder if colleges would award women’s scholarships to trans women in this sort of situation?

TransplantsArePlants · 07/06/2018 16:08

Oh sorry. I see you've made a move to do that Blush

TransplantsArePlants · 07/06/2018 16:07

This thread should go on AIBU

NotARegularPenguin · 07/06/2018 15:16

Too slow to compete as boys but quick enough to beat females and therefore be able to take away potential college scholarships. I see them and I see what they’re doing. Shameful. These girls and others will miss out on scholarships/education because of this. It’s cheating, plain and simple cheating.

numberseven · 07/06/2018 15:10

It seems neither of those two persons have taken any steps towards transition except for declaring that they identify as women.

So this is how it will be.

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TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 07/06/2018 15:07

The girls look so dejected at the end, which of course they have right to be. There is a reason male and female sport is segregated, and these girls clearly know its not fair.

SuitedandBooted · 07/06/2018 14:59

The TRA's are keeping an eye on Mumsnet generally.

More threads with eye-catching titles need to go up on AIBU.

It's great to discuss things on this board, but the whole Trans issue needs to be as widely discussed as possible. Feminist Chat is largely preaching to the converted , with the odd plopper/derailer.

I know a couple of Canadian's who had NO IDEA of the actual consequences of Self-ID, and what it meant for women's spaces etc in their country. It was pushed through quickly and quietly, and broadly presented as a gay rights issue.

We can't let that happen here.

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OrchidInTheSun · 07/06/2018 14:45

I'm not sure it's going to make much different Fermat - TRAs already monitor the Feminism boards here

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FermatsTheorem · 07/06/2018 14:30

Re. moving it to AIBU - some TRA will then try to get the thread taken down on the grounds that the title misgenders the cheats brave young athletes striving for inclusivity.

Baroquehavoc · 07/06/2018 14:23

BlooperReel, I doubt it will take long. Lots of talk about it being fabulous that such a vulnerable group be included in sport, that many competitors have other advantages, and it's only a school age competition, so not that important.

Terfulike · 07/06/2018 14:20

How must these girls feel that adults in positions of power and responsibility have set them up to fail at the sport that they love and excel at?

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OrchidInTheSun · 07/06/2018 14:18

I've asked MNHQ to move to AIBU (and correct the spelling of Connecticut before someone else points that out!)

I've just looked up the records on athletic.net. Neither Miller nor Yearwood would get picked to run as boys - they're both way too slow. Miller is ranked 200 in state and Yearwood is 443.

It's an absolute insult to all those girls.

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FermatsTheorem · 07/06/2018 14:17

I believe the usual TRA justification is "well, just like some women are born genetically lucky with more fast twitch muscles than others, some women are born genetically lucky with a Y chromosome, shitloads of testosterone, a narrower pelvis and a much higher VOmax capacity."

Of course the rest of us listen to that "justification" and find our inner Magdalen Berns going "That'll be because they're men" in that wonderful dry delivery of hers.

BlooperReel · 07/06/2018 14:12

I would like any TRA's to come on here and try to justify this utter bullshit. Angry

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 07/06/2018 14:08

As PP have said this is awful - if it affects scholarships it will particularly be poor girls affected too (those who can't afford university without a scholarship).

spontaneousgiventime · 07/06/2018 14:06

This is going to become the new normal. Girls/women will be prised out of sport, to appease men. Girls/women just seem to have little if any value.

ChickenMe · 07/06/2018 14:01

This is outrageous- OP can you move to AIBU, this really needs to be more widely known.

Gileswithachainsaw · 07/06/2018 14:00
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Poor girls. What happens when an all girl college offers a scholarship to the winners?

Is there going to be outrage now that it wasn't fair somehow cos one person.has been trans longer and oppressed longer so lost unfairly to someone who's been trans five mins?

So unfair to the girls SadAngry

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OrchidInTheSun · 07/06/2018 13:56

Yes I agree Bore. I also think that Andraya on his own could have been written off as an anomaly but now he's been beaten by another boy (and Terry is taking first place in a lot of races), it really highlights how completely unfair and shit self-ID is in sport

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BoreOfWhabylon · 07/06/2018 13:46

The more of this the better, imo. It shows up the whole gender identity bollocks for what it is and is peaktransing many many people.

The tide is turning.