Paris Lees interviewed by Nick Robinson on Radio 4 now on.

^^ this

PL should stick to wide eyed outraged journalists like Schofield and Derbyshire in future.

Robinson has too much experience of slippery, lying politicians using every tactic and manipulation going.

PL was wrong footed because NR gave opportunity for the "poor me" story, showed empathy, crucially NR didn't let the empathy stop his critical thinking I have seen a county court judge do this with a fence dispute where the a person who claimed the fence had been moved had not a scrap of evidence (because it hadn't happened) and was allowed to say everything they wanted, questioned extensively and politely and given every help to state the case, then it was totally dismissed and the report was watertight, no appeal possible. It is hugely impressive.

PL was wrong footed because NR gave opportunity for the "poor me" story, showed empathy, crucially NR didn't let the empathy stop his critical thinking, NR didn't lie, NR did his job properly, PL failed at what is usually a successful tactic so out came the rage.

I got the impression NR can see that the Emperior has no clothes on and can see what PL and others are trying to achieve, that he can tell they are extremely touchy and OTT, he is used to more stoic characters and that PL has too fragile an ego, so is unsuited to political debate.

The additional recording is very telling, that the trans activist aims are to "educate" the public to think differently, that it's worked with the younger generation via social media and schools, now they are going to work on the older generation now via the traditional media and PL was enraged that NR would not play along and ruined an opportunity.

It was quite a good interview (and got better as it went on) but Paris was allowed to say that certain things were 'the law' when they aren't. NR needs better briefing on law v polite because people are shit scared of causing offence conventions.

He really should have skewered PL when PL asked NR to decide if she was a woman or not.

NR not NE

Yy more please Nick. Comes to something when NE is doing better than woman's hour on a feminist issue.

Embarrassing for PL when PL tried to make him say that PL is a woman. He so obviously didn't.
I think what it brought out the most was that they don't want a discussion. It's good for people to know this as some of them will wonder why.

Are gender critical women the only group the BBC insists HAVE to have an opposing viewpoint before they can be interviewed?
It seems odd that I've never heard a gender critical woman interviewed without them also plonking a transwomen in as well yet they happily have programmes of just trans folk.

The BBC have been shockingly biased on this against even including reference to the impact on women or any of the questions around this. They have a duty to balance on controversial topics as well. Has got very slightly better recently.

Agree Nick did an outstanding job interviewing.

Have they left in the bit where Lees says they don't think going for self-id was a very good idea?

NR is a 'good thinker' as it were

It was a good job by Nick Robinson

Are gender critical women the only group the BBC insists HAVE to have an opposing viewpoint before they can be interviewed?
It seems odd that I've never heard a gender critical woman interviewed without them also plonking a transwomen in as well yet they happily have programmes of just trans folk.

Oh, cross post!!

You can listen here: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b48kt2

I just caught the end of this, & it seems it was more about how PL banged on and on and on after the interview. NR started off bemused and ended up amused IMO

PL's snort at the end of the official interview was hilarious

PL was doing OK talking about gender dysphoria and about having made a physical transition but then Nick Robinson mentioned PL having said "I'm a woman because I say I am" and PL tried to make Nick Robinson say PL is a "woman". He made clear that he viewed PL as a transwoman but would use "woman" solely as a courtesy in certain circumstances.

PL on women's prisons: women kill women so are you saying women should be banned from women's prisons?

PL on changing rooms: ban lesbians?

PL: is it right to say black people shouldn't be Uber drivers?

PL: is it right to say gay people shouldn't be teachers?

Nick Robinson was rather bemused at how annoyed PL had got over being asked questions. Put him on the GC side (provisionally).

"Can't you see its the focus?"

It is all about presentation. Stuff facts or practicalities

PL asked Nick Robinson if he thought PL was a woman on the basis that PL said so... Awkward silence from Nick.