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"Ireland has had self-ID for several years with no problems"

105 replies

Macareaux · 06/06/2018 13:24

Is this true? (The no problems bit)

OP posts:
thebewilderness · 06/06/2018 22:31

The women are all imagining it?
Oh Em Gee I haven't heard that one for at least fifteen years.

daimbars · 06/06/2018 22:29

Pratchet nope this only happens in your head. If men in Ireland were really self identifying as women and going into women's changing rooms and exposing themselves this would have been reported by someone somewhere. But it hasn't because it isn't true.

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 22:23

No, it's a fact. Self ID means that a predator can enter a female space, and commit indecent exposure or voyeurism with impunity. Reporting this is transphobic and a hate crime.

The problem is no longer visible. It has been transed away.

daimbars · 06/06/2018 22:18

Pratchet this is purely your speculation, there have been no reported incidents.

thebewilderness · 06/06/2018 22:09

What does a man have to do before he can be accused of making a bad faith declaration?

I expect after they commit rape or assault they will be declared by transgender advocates to be "no true transwoman".

HerFemaleness · 06/06/2018 22:06

There will be many posters who will try their best to tell you otherwise but there have been no reported incidences of anyone abusing self ID in Ireland.

If gender identity is a deeply personal thing. If nobody is allowed to question your gender identity. How could you prove that somebody is abusing Self-ID?

We are told we must accept as women males who rape women. A male who likes to masturbate wearing underwear belonging to teenage girls. Males who get a sexual kick out of wearing soiled sanitary towels and sticking used tampons up their arseholes. What does a man have to do before he can be accused of making a bad faith declaration?

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 22:03

Daim: indecent exposure and voyeurism are now legal in female spaces. Hence nothing to report! Voila - trans away the problem.

Inkspellme · 06/06/2018 22:01

@PercyAndFriends The Irish population is tiny compared to the UK population, rural, everyone will know everyone and non transient. Any problem transwomen will be given a quiet talking to, by the men so nothing will be recorded.

Seriously? You think your neighboring country is made up of a selection of villages where everyone knows everyone? The ignorance and lack of education you display reflects badly on you - you come across as racist.

thebewilderness · 06/06/2018 21:34

The people to check with would be Women's Aid Ireland. They are more likely to hear about abuse than any other now that saying no to men is a crime.

daimbars · 06/06/2018 21:28

Yes OP it's true. There will be many posters who will try their best to tell you otherwise but there have been no reported incidences of anyone abusing self ID in Ireland.

thebewilderness · 06/06/2018 21:17

Canadian authorities recently announced they would begin segregating people in jails and prisons by gender rather than sex.

GibbertyFlibbert · 06/06/2018 21:14

"Biometric ID cards here we come"

When we had Citizens Cards several years ago they were a godsend to the gender fluid - they could get a female Citizen Card without changing their driving licence, passport or birth certificate. Several took the opportunity to get bank accounts set up in the alternative gender.

AfterSchoolWorry · 06/06/2018 21:07

As far as I know trans criminals still go to the jail of their natal sex.

The other stuff I'm not sure of. Ireland has a tiny population compared to the UK.

I don't seem to meet any trans people.

N0tLinked1n · 06/06/2018 21:05

Well most violent crimes, almost ALL violent crimes are commited by men. ie, people who were born men.

FoxOnSecurity · 06/06/2018 21:01

@N0tLinked1n what about the F2M as well?

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 20:57

In countries with self ID, voyeurism and indecent exposure in female spaces have been legalised. Reporting them has been criminalised. On the other hand, indecent exposure and voyeurism in public spaces is still illegal, and reporting them is not a hate crime. So you'd expect these crime numbers to fall.

There is no way of recording how many women are hurt, humiliated, distressed, traumatised or otherwise upset at sharing spaces with fully intact males.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 06/06/2018 20:45

Also there would be no reported problems if women who for religious or personal reasons just stop using services / places where the male sex could be present. A lot of Women would lose their ability to participate in public life. That's a real problem but no-one's recording that.

SarahAr · 06/06/2018 20:26

The Irish population is tiny compared to the UK population, rural, everyone will know everyone and non transient. Any problem transwomen will be given a quiet talking to, by the men so nothing will be recorded

Have you even been to Ireland? Dublin has half a million people living there. You remarks are borderline racist.

UpstartCrow · 06/06/2018 20:01

Biometric ID cards here we come Confused

thebewilderness · 06/06/2018 19:40

The only evidence we have for all the problems that have been created is anecdotal because the new gender laws report transgender identified male criminals as female.
In Canada the ethical publications have begun including photographs of the suspect so that people can see that they are in reality a transgender identified male despite being described as a woman in the police report.

N0tLinked1n · 06/06/2018 17:10

I am Irish and I am furious that trans m2f are distorting crime statistics like this.

jellyfrizz · 06/06/2018 17:06

Oops, not even 3.

KittyKlaws · 06/06/2018 17:06

Ibi-Pippi is an artist and I strongly suspect they were making a point (I don't think they really are trans) of course if someone know differently??

jellyfrizz · 06/06/2018 17:06

Several years? Not even 2.

On 15th July 2015 the Gender Recognition Bill completed its passage through the Oireachtas and was sent to the President for signature. The Act was commenced in September 2015. The Department of Social Protection stated that 198 people had been legally recognised from 4th September 2015 - 31 December 2016. Of these 8 individuals were 16 or 17 years old.

source: www.teni.ie/page.aspx?contentid=586

PercyAndFriends · 06/06/2018 16:49

The press retorts will be about women not men, the police will record complaints as transcribe hate crimes, how exactly is an actual woman going to be able to record any problems?

The Irish population is tiny compared to the UK population, rural, everyone will know everyone and non transient. Any problem transwomen will be given a quiet talking to, by the men so nothing will be recorded.

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