Twitter thread: no impact assessments carried out for school guidance in Scotland

www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/media/1344/supporting-transgender-young-people.pdf

This is the guidance that has been issued and is being promoted by the local authority I work for. I have had a quick scan and already spotted that there is encouragement not to tell parents, even when the child is under 16. Links to Mermaids and a bit that says we shouldn't encourage the use of binders while helping the child to decide to use binders. Going to read the whole thing and report back

And that was an example of 'success'

Pretty frank admission by Stonewall: 'we bypassed all the women users or potential users, and went straight to the bosses so that decisions could be made in private rooms.'

That's not a direct quote, it's in inverted commas for effect. It's a paraphrase of what Stinson said.

Someone said earlier it will all be transcribed and sent out. Hope so.

Thanks Pratchet, that’s a shame it’s not written down or minutes anywhere.

Chipping away at women's sex segregated spaces and boundaries. And what better way to do that, than to start in our schools? Start eroding the boundaries of young girls at an early age. God, it's so obviously a male sexual rights movement.

Fucking hell - they're just so brazen - just shows they know this will not be popular with the public.

Yep. And that they have vast institutional power and are about as oppressed as you'd expect a movement spearheaded by class privileged white males would be. That is, not oppressed at all.

@ibaker23 I never wanted to go to school. I didn't know it was even an option to not go to school. If the solution I come up with doesn't work for you then you don't want anything to change.

Wow. You think that because I recognise that many families have no choice about both parents working, that means I don't want change? That is a logical fallacy called the "false dichotomy" or "either/or fallacy".

And TBH your entire post was a red herring, we're talking about how to make school safe for girls, not whether we should remove them from it. Most kids hate school, but they need to be educated, and many parents can't do that.

Personally, I think school is a good thing: I ask myself now, would I have had the opportunities and skills I have now if I had been home-schooled, and I wouldn't have done. Attending my all-girl secondary allowed me to learn and socialise with other girls, to attend extra-curricular activities run by the school and learn new hobbies that I still enjoy today, and to make my own decisions about who my friends were instead of having my parents pick them for me (most parents want their kids to be friends with their friends' kids, based on my experience of who gets invited to kids birthday parties, which would have meant I would have had no friends because my parents were from outside the area and had no local friends). I would not want to deny any kid that chance, but I am committed to them having that chance safely. If my primary school had cared about safeguarding enough to give us single-sex changing rooms and make the lunchtime playground supervisors patrol the yard and stop the boys from hitting and harassing the girls instead of standing in a huddle facing each other and chatting, I would have had a much better primary school experience and would be able to look back on the football playing and singing without also remembering pain, fear, and humiliation.

Bex Stinson from Stonewall has been asked how they were 'so successful' in Scotland. H response: they bypassed the public and went directly to the service organisations. The 'conversations were being had in rooms with decision makers' and not in public. That's how.

Fucking hell - they're just so brazen - just shows they know this will not be popular with the public.

Rather like the TAs who pushed the GRA through in 2004 - boasting about how they managed to do it without the press/public realising.

They know exactly what they're doing.

Still, it means the backlash, when it comes, will be huge.

Yes

At the conference?

No, h* said it yesterday

I can't see Twitter, not on it and it won't let me register.

Can some info be posted here, please?

Bex Stinson from Stonewall has been asked how they were 'so successful' in Scotland. H response: they bypassed the public and went directly to the service organisations. The 'conversations were being had in rooms with decision makers' and not in public. That's how.

Do you have a link for that Pratchet?

Yes completely and utterly.

They're in bed with all the trans organisations aren't they?

Clearly we need more Scottish events from WPUK, WNTT and independent groups.

Engender (Scottish women’s group) had an event to discuss the changes to the GRA. It was cancelled (not rescheduled) due to ‘diary clashes’

Yes: definitely more Scottish events
The other narrative being pushed at government is 'Ireland did it'. This is a huge part of their argument.

HotR
Good job ignoring me................................

Just ignore Ibaker. They seem to have no other purpose than to disrupt and derail threads.

Clearly we need more Scottish events from WPUK, WNTT and independent groups.

Such bullshit. How arrogant they are.

So, mumsnet KEEP TALKING IN PUBLIC - that's what they hate

Bex Stinson from Stonewall has been asked how they were 'so successful' in Scotland. H** response: they bypassed the public and went directly to the service organisations. The 'conversations were being had in rooms with decision makers' and not in public. That's how.