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Twitter thread: no impact assessments carried out for school guidance in Scotland

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SunsetBeetch · 04/06/2018 17:33

Well this is concerning, although probably not surprising:

Government funded school guidance has been issued across Scotland, endorsed by Children's Commissioner, charities, LA's etc which discards the need for single sex spaces/sports t.co/ye3ekBGSEi

No Equality Impact Assessments were carried out, neither by the organisations who compiled the guidance nor the Local Authorities who have distributed it amongst their schools.

OP posts:
PencilsInSpace · 06/06/2018 14:35

And yet during the consultation for the Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Bill -

The EHRC said that ‘sex’ and ‘gender’ are not synonymous terms, and that ‘gender’ is not a protected characteristic.

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 13:50

Great observation LemonJello

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/06/2018 13:45

would police scotland confirming they document people/arrest (& i'm assuming crime) according to their self declared gender be up your street

I'd be interested to know this. I did ask (tweet) but had no reply

Lemonjello · 06/06/2018 13:44

And many organisations are also now referring to a protected characteristic of gender (which does not exist as per Eq Act 2010) and make no mention of the protected characteristic of sex.

These organisation include The Equality and Human Rights Commission

Twitter thread: no impact assessments carried out for school guidance in Scotland
Waddlelikeapenguin · 06/06/2018 13:38

leyat would police scotland confirming they document people/arrest (& i'm assuming crime) according to their self declared gender be up your street?

leyat · 06/06/2018 13:35

Gender reassignment is the protected characteristic and it basically means anyone who identifies as trans, but if you have a GRC you can change your birth certificate to the opposite sex, so in the case of a transwoman if you have that then you are legally female, not male, except for in relation to the exemptions that apply to all transwomen, including those with a GRC. That's what the whole AWS thing has been about, i.e. that transwomen without a GRC are still legally male, and yet the Labour party are allowing them into to AWS. The legal challenge to AWS was never in relation to transwomen with a GRC.

Self ID as a principle is more and more how this is all functioning as we have seen with everything from Labour AWS to refuges. This is why we need to update the Equality Act in order to secure solid sex based protections. But also we need to challenge the language changes from sex to gender in regards to our protected characteristics, it's another way of trying to erase our rights...

PencilsInSpace · 06/06/2018 13:29

ToeToToe, 'gender reassignment' is one of the protected characteristics. TRAs want that changed to 'gender identity'. They also want 'sex' changed to 'gender'.

They are busily telling people this is already the case.

PencilsInSpace · 06/06/2018 13:26

where does this idea come from?

Possibly because of this.

Also because Stonewall are busy delivering equality & diversity training spreading lies.

ToeToToe · 06/06/2018 13:21

*and that gender reassignment can merely be the 'intention' to transition - so sex hormones and surgery not necessary to be protected by the act. Which is pretty much self ID already, isn't it?

ToeToToe · 06/06/2018 13:17

TAs say that "gender reassignment" is one of the protected characteristics in the EA- where are they getting this from? Is that in the EA at all?

Btw - I believe they will try to change the EA so that gender identity trumps sex. Because that is what they want.

leyat · 06/06/2018 13:16

Haven't been able to read this whole thread but just in relation to the OP and the last cpl posts:

Gender reassignment and sex are protected characteristics, not gender identity and gender. In fact nowhere in equality laws at UK or EU level is gender a protected characteristic.

Also just to reassure people here, a few of us have set up a campaign group and we are working on addressing all this and will be able to share more some time in the next few months and we will of course keep Mumsnet posted.

We will be addressing the schools guidance, the GRA etc, looking at where there have been failures in upholding the rights of women and girls, and making recommendations/demands. We are also carrying out our own research.

We obviously want what we do to have a strong a basis as possible, so it is a lot of work, but there's now four of us working on this and if anyone has anything they think might be useful please do DM.

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 13:11

Charlie that is reassuring

CharlieParley · 06/06/2018 13:07

SardineReturns The Equality Act 2010 is legislation that applies across the UK. Despite the separate legal system in Scotland, it cannot be changed by the Scottish Government.

From the text of the act:

The protected characteristics

The following characteristics are protected characteristics—

age;
disability;
gender reassignment;
marriage and civil partnership;
pregnancy and maternity;
race;
religion or belief;
sex;
sexual orientation. 

None of the outstanding legislative changes are to this part of the act. Gender is not a protected characteristic.

But trans orgs are advising authorities using a skewed interpretation of the EA, effectively pre-empting a change to self-id by circumventing the protected characteristic of sex. So we have to counter this misinformation.

uptheduffy · 06/06/2018 12:41

Surely gender and gender id are both protected characteristics so it would need to be done. I think nothing has been done here as sex is no longer a protected characteristic, so no requirement
where does this idea come from? I'm in scotland and afaik no changes have been made to the protected characteristics in the equality act.
If some could advise I'd be grateful, it's important I know!

R0wantrees · 06/06/2018 12:35

Apologies!

R0wantrees · 06/06/2018 12:34

Oliver Burkeman (Guardian)

twitter.com/oliverburkeman/status/1004152461815410690

Twitter thread: no impact assessments carried out for school guidance in Scotland
R0wantrees · 06/06/2018 12:31

Oliver Burkeman (Guardian)

twitter.com/oliverburkeman/status/1004033619118182400

Also see Kathleen Stock, philosophy academic:
twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1004291594722430977
writes here: medium.com/@kathleenstock

& Lisa Muggeridge @lisamuggeridge4

Twitter thread: no impact assessments carried out for school guidance in Scotland
LangCleg · 06/06/2018 12:01

twitter.com/mrkhtake2/with_replies

Just scroll through the timeline for the past few days.

Lemonjello · 06/06/2018 11:47

Some of us have set up a campaign group in Scotland to address these issues. We don't want to say much right now as we feel it wouldn't be helpful at this point, but we have been aware of the issues raised below for some time & want to let people know we are working hard on this.

mobile.twitter.com/Indy_Leya/status/1004305575046537216

Lemonjello · 06/06/2018 11:45

Would you be able to link please LangCleg?

LangCleg · 06/06/2018 11:43

Some very good work being done by @mrkhtake2 on Twitter vis a vis the trans lobby school training packs and especially on the sections about SEND children, which directly contradicts SENDCOP, the legislative guidance on this.

Opheliah · 06/06/2018 11:23

The one thing I think we might have in our favour when it comes to schools is the number of gender critical parents compared to the number of trans activist parents

Not sure... I think it would be equal pro-trans to GC critical parents, and everyone else totally unaware, just wants to do the "right" thing for poor vulnerable brave trans children....

The guidance itself on the very first page, it's all about how all transkids are bullied, self harm, commit suicide, and starts out basically guilt tripping you into going along with it. I see why most people would go along with it until late they actually dare to think a bit.

R0wantrees · 06/06/2018 11:18

Speaking as someone who used to run a school, I can tell you that it's staggering how many headteachers - especially primary heads - think that 'guidance' means 'this is the law and you must do it'

(extract from recent Guardian article)
"Susie Green, CEO of the charity Mermaids, disagrees, saying the debate about single-sex toilets seems “engineered to whip up fear” and is equivalent to “arguing people of colour shouldn’t be allowed to use the same toilets as white people in case they make them dirty”

Claire Birkenshaw, a transgender former headteacher, says the wide range of different advice creates confusion and conflict. “There needs to be clear statutory guidance for schools that incorporates the views of experts from education, the medical profession, the Equality and Human Rights Commission and trans people,” she says. “Rows about a vulnerable and marginalised group in education are not helpful.”

The EHRC is planning to issue guidance of its own next month, something Birkenshaw welcomes. “Schools want to support the transgender young person, but at the same time they’ll be reflecting on how other children may feel, on how staff are going to feel and parents.”

Davies-Arai says her broader concern is that by affirming students’ gender identity, schools may be nudging them down a route that can lead to cross-sex hormones and life-changing surgery without enough time to reflect. Teachers, she says, “are essentially being forced to collude in an experimental approach towards children with gender dysphoria”. She adds: “You can support children and accept them, without affirming their belief that their body is ‘wrong’.”

Adele Robinson (not her real name), a head of year at a secondary school, shares Davies-Arai’s worries. The school has had 12 children, all girls, come out as transgender in the past 18 months. The majority, she says, have autism, and some have experienced sexual abuse."
www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/15/transgender-row-teachers-afraid-challenge-breast-binding

Lemonjello · 06/06/2018 11:15

True.

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 11:13

But fear the PTA queen bee with a 'trans kid' ....