Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

I am deeply disturbed by the idea that adults are interfering in the sexual, physical and mental development of children.

Join the bloody club.

I am going to propose that no one else answers this thread ... Wakame is aiming to derail a Feminist Chat board... has done it before and is doing it again....Really great that Bowl has pasted one cogent response - Let's not add any more
Really makes sense

It seems to me that the most appropriate form of treatment for a psychological condition would be to treat it using therapy to help the person to accept their healthy body, rather than medicate it.

If only it were that simple.

There is no evidence for therapies to change gender identity or 'cure' transsexualism. In the entire history of medicine there is only one supposedly successful attempt recorded (I think, happy to be corrected):
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/490883

This case is noted as being unusual in that the patient wanted to change their gender identity.

Also:

Psychotherapy with the objective of “curing” transsexualism, in order to get the patient to accept oneself as a man or a woman, is useless with the currently available methods. The transsexual mind cannot be changed into a false gender orientation. Every attempt there that has been to do so has failed
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1665579615000071

If you can find any evidence for alternative treatment please do present it.

Gibb my son has recieved specialist counselling fot the last 13 months from the NHS and there have been no issues arranging his appointments outside of school hours.

Just what I was thinking, Bowl!

UpstartCrow

You are confirming my point. Therapy is typically weekly off fortnightly and specialist therapist are needed so they are only going to be available during the day. I know the Transgender Trend material is a shibboleth here but there are obvious weaknesses in it. Two of the obvious ones IMO are:

1 making it harder, not easier for children to get therapy
2 failing to teach children that if they experience gender anxiety that asking for therapy would be sensible

I take your point about broken bones but vaccinations carry significant risks.

Antivaxxer as well? Have to say that critical appraisal of medical evidence isn’t a hallmark of that group of people either

There also seems to be an expectation now that men who transition will be able to do all sorts of things (electrolysis/hair transplants/facial feminisation) in order to 'pass'.

They also want this to be funded (by someone else) so they can look like an 'ideal woman'. This is fairly recent, isn't it? If there have always been transgender people, how on earth did they manage before modern medicine/beauty treatments? I don't want to pay for someone else's cosmetic treatments. SRS should be available for adults with lifelong, debilitating dysphoria, but I don't see why my taxes should be put towards making someone look like Beyonce when the NHS is already overstretched. Cosmetic looks are a personal choice.

This drive to transition people younger seems to be a lot to do with reducing future cosmetic surgery costs. That's nowhere near a good enough reason to transition children.

Oh look Gibberty is 'misremembering' things that the Transgender Trend resource pack says. What a surprise.

"It's a really different thing to consent to something like an appendix being removed or a vaccination or a broken bone being operated on and rendering oneself sterile whilst in the grip of self-hatred which has a good chance of not lasting into adulthood."

I take your point about broken bones but vaccinations carry significant risks.

No it doesnt.

''It is sometimes suggested that schools should be lenient and allow transgender children to miss school for meetings, mentoring and appointments. All children need maximum attendance at school to enable their learning. While it is right to ensure that children have access to specialist support such as an education psychologist, schools should be wary about sanctioning excessive absence for appointments which could be arranged after school or during holidays and which negatively impact on a child’s learning ''

Page 10
www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Transgender-Trend-Resource-Pack-for-Schools.pdf

And does that include freely consenting to sex Gibberty? Just asking.

It's hard to see reasons why they shouldn't all be aligned. It's one of the reasons why I can see arguments for moving all of them to 16.

A ten year old is not treated by the system as a twenty year old would be. We have young offender systems, juvenile type dentention etc.

Personally I think 14 might be a reasonable compromise for criminal responsibility and authority over your own body (including hormones)

The same question I asked above - would this include having sex?

A 14 year old is Too young to understand the ramifications of these drugs and this process. The age of consent in clinical trials for example is 16 in the UK and 18 in many other countries.

www.hra-decisiontools.org.uk/consent/principles-children-EngWalesNI.html

I am deeply disturbed by the idea that adults are interfering in the sexual, physical and mental development of children. When you consider that a lot of these kids are by definition vulnerable, it gets worse. When you have a think about the concept of creating perma-children who are then sexualised into a facsimile of the opposite sex it gets more disturbing still.

"I’d like to have something cool to say here, but I’m honestly just stunned at the fact that 65% of these women had no therapy at all before transition."

I would have liked to see broad agreement on the need for significantly more therapy but from what I remember of the Transger Trend material they are telling schools to not allow medical appointments during school hours which, of course, is likely to make specialist counselling impossible to arrange. If my memory is correct, that means things might get worse rather than better.

Also worth pointing out that it’s only licensed for six months use in adult women with endometriosis - if it’s so harmless, why is that? My consultant made me stop it after two years, but the damage was already done by then. How many years are these kids taking it for?

Perhaps my analogy was not a perfect one, but I think it is applicable seeing as medical consent is already set at 16..

It's a really different thing to consent to something like an appendix being removed or a vaccination or a broken bone being operated on and rendering oneself sterile whilst in the grip of self-hatred which has a good chance of not lasting into adulthood.

I respect that in extreme cases it might, sadly, be a beneficial step to take but it's so drastic. Medical consent wasn't set at 16 with ROGD in mind. This rise in cases is unprecedented.

No, funnily enough no one wants to talk about actual experiences on these drugs since they differ so drastically from the party line.

Oops not from you obviously

I realised

Sorry Tammy, cross post with yours.

I read this article at the weekend & it references the women's groups. I wasn't aware of this issue with Lupron

Huge issues. @TammySwansonTwo has discussed the effects she has experienced on multiple threads including earlier in this one but the transactivists never engage with this.

Natluc and the others, this is what you are advocating children that have absolutely nothing to do with you should take. Ask Tammy what she thinks.

Personally I think 14 might be a reasonable compromise for criminal responsibility and authority over your own body (including hormones)

And does that include freely consenting to sex Gibberty? Just asking.

There are many conditions where people must feel deeply unhappy about their bodies: many people who are born disabled or become disabled in later life, for example

This is a huge issue when you acquire a disability. Huge. It can consume you. It's very hard when your body starts altering because you know you just have to lump it. It has caused me significant distress over decades of my life. I have had to find a way to cope. The distress ebbs and flows but sometimes it is still significant. I have had to work really hard to a) find things to like about myself and b) take the focus off my body and focus on other things in my life

I went on these drugs at 25 out of desperation. I had researched the risks but even I didn’t understand the gravity or the long term effects on my body. At 14 or 16 or 18 I’d have had no chance.

Oops not from you obviously

It's a good question, isn't it?

I have asked the same question multiple times and I am still waiting on an answer Eresh