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Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

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Wakame · 04/06/2018 12:46

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

A study has found that young adults who transitioned in childhood through puberty suppression and cross sex hormones are thriving. Here's an excerpt:

"After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being."

It's a small study, but of course, when the results are so unambiguous, they become statistically significant even with smaller studies. You can of course counter this study with more science - just find a larger study that shows the opposite.

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AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 13:36

Today in TRA news - organ harvesting is in no way sinister and should not be objected to by the people whose organs it's been decided should be up for grabs.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:34

"Oh God womb transplants. Do males talking about this have any idea how deeply sinister they sound ?"

I know, isn't is shocking - someone who is infertile and considers themselves female, might want to be able to have a baby - outrageous.

Again, you guys need to sort out your argument - first you say sterilisation is terrible, but now a fix for it is also terrible. It's starting to sound a teensy bit like transphobia - you know - whatever a trans person wants must by definition be something bad.

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UpstartCrow · 05/06/2018 13:34

The outcome of puberty blockers followed by cross sex hormones is that is those children are sterilised, and are also unable to orgasm when they reach adulthood.

This is a human rights issue.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:31

"This is a technique called Gish Galloping."

Hmm, there have been complaints across several threads now that I am not answering enough questions, and now I am making too many posts. You guys should have a chat about this first and see if you can come to a consensus.

While you're at it, perhaps you can decide whether I am perpetuating feminine stereotypes or behaving like a typical man.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:28

"It is fucking outrageous that adults with metal health problems are allowed to promote sterilising children as if it is a thing."

You're being disingenuous. The purpose of supporting trans kids with puberty blockers etc where necessary is no more about sterilisation than appendix removal in children is about sticking knives in their bellies.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:26

So many posts - so little time! I will try to answer a few of the points raised.

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drradfem · 05/06/2018 13:11

Somebody told me about a study from the Netherlands where only 18% of 30 year olds who had transitioned as kids were still trans. Does anyone have info on that?

Utini · 05/06/2018 13:07

@DN4GeekinDerby unless I'm reading your post wrong I think you might have misunderstood p-values. You say the results aren't statistically significant, and that you haven't seen so many less than .001s in a while. P

GorgonLondon · 05/06/2018 12:47

Yes. There's no good faith here. It's entrapment.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/06/2018 12:44

no matter who starts it

but some are started to be provocative and are carefully watched.

sleepingdragons · 05/06/2018 12:42

I also think it's worth people understanding who is posting it and why

Yes agreed :)

Just be careful what you say in case you find yourself quoted out of context on Twatter.

Yes, good advice - and true of any thread, no matter who starts it.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/06/2018 12:40

Just because you don't see any practical use in them, doesn't mean others don't find them useful

Just be careful what you say in case you find yourself quoted out of context on Twatter.

These GFs know they are not going to change minds here and they are not looking to have their own mind changed. They are posting for a reason.

GorgonLondon · 05/06/2018 12:40

sleeping I am also glad that people have effectively critiqued it, but I also think it's worth people understanding who is posting it and why.

sleepingdragons · 05/06/2018 12:37

I know this particular poster wakame from my time on the guardian comment boards. I know that they are a one-issue poster who pretends to be interested in debate but actually never engages with anything that anyone else says.

Yes but so far, I've seen posts from wakame on studies that I wouldn't have come across otherwise.

I don't think we're going to change wakame's mind, but hearing the arguments other people put forward is interesting and useful. Plus, people googling the study may well come across this thread and the criticism of it - MN ranks well on Google.

It's not discussion they want, it's completely one-sided. - the same could be said for half the OPs on MN!

If this poster was just posting goady fuckery then I'd agree. But I find putting up studies for us to debunk really useful, and I'm glad these threads are here.

Just because you don't see any practical use in them, doesn't mean others don't find them useful.

GorgonLondon · 05/06/2018 12:30

If you don't want to engage, don't. But please stop policing those of us who do

I think this impetus comes from a range of recent goady OPs who have been posting merde in the hope to antagonise us and get some good screen shots to take out of context and twat on twatter ...

Absolutely this. I know this particular poster wakame from my time on the guardian comment boards. I know that they are a one-issue poster who pretends to be interested in debate but actually never engages with anything that anyone else says. It's not discussion they want, it's completely one-sided.

WaxOnFeckOff · 05/06/2018 10:21

All this gender stuff is like "ethnic cleansing" of gay people.

It seems it's no longer ok to be a man that is attracted to men or a woman that is attracted to women. If you are attracted to the same sex, it must be becasue you were "born in the wrong body" . What a pile of shite. There is no such thing as the wrong body. Your body is your body, whether you feel attraction to the opposite sex or same sex or both is fine. Aside from the tiny proportion of people with genuine dna issues who need to have the full range of available treatments, others need to be offered appropriate psychiatric treatment. If we stopped putting people into boxes then maybe most of these issues wouldn't be issues. There is nothing wrong with Sophie liking to play with trucks and football or with Harry liking pink or Dave liking to wear a dress and getting his nails done. Who cares? None of these things mean you are in the wrong body, there is no wrong body, just your body.

Your sex is what it is, it can't be changed. That doesn't stop you living a full and happy life.

drspouse · 05/06/2018 10:19

Where are the controls?
Exactly this. And they'd need to be randomised.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/06/2018 10:18

If you don't want to engage, don't. But please stop policing those of us who do

I think this impetus comes from a range of recent goady OPs who have been posting merde in the hope to antagonise us and get some good screen shots to take out of context and twat on twatter ...

Ereshkigal · 05/06/2018 10:03

I think that's fair enough, and as pointed out, we don't have the woke Guardian modding to contend with so can properly challenge Wakame in a way that wasn't possible there.

sleepingdragons · 05/06/2018 10:01

But I'm glad Wakame is posting here. I find it useful. I wouldn't have come across those studies otherwise.

If you don't want to engage, don't. But please stop policing those of us who do.

LangCleg · 05/06/2018 09:55

Everyone could just collectively agree not to encourage Wakame to keep posting here by not engaging. Though at that point they'd just go bother some other group of feminists.

I agree.

FermatsTheorem · 05/06/2018 09:50

Thanks, NotBad - very thorough and considered response!

GorgonLondon · 05/06/2018 09:49

Terry yes it's heartening to see the very articulate and knowledgeable posts challenging them.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/06/2018 09:46

Everyone could just collectively agree not to encourage Wakame to keep posting here by not engaging. Though at that point they'd just go bother some other group of feminists

I'm sure they are doing that as well...

ibaker23 · 05/06/2018 08:26

terry
You just latched onto the posters who were more aligned to what you thought

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