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Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

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Wakame · 04/06/2018 12:46

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

A study has found that young adults who transitioned in childhood through puberty suppression and cross sex hormones are thriving. Here's an excerpt:

"After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being."

It's a small study, but of course, when the results are so unambiguous, they become statistically significant even with smaller studies. You can of course counter this study with more science - just find a larger study that shows the opposite.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 14:02

" It's just that you don't seem to want to accept the significant risks of blockers, hormones and surgery. "

As yourself just how terrible the mental state of a child would have to be before yo were willing to contemplate hormone blockers etc. Well, that's the level these kids are at - gender dysphoria is so distressing that a huge percentage of trans people attempt suicide. It's really that bad.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 14:00

"a survey of 200 detransitioned ex-FTM, mostly young women."

It is inportant to understand de-transition so this is a good survery. It is also important to understand that detreansitioners are a tiny minority - one major study for example found a regret rate of just over 2%:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24872188

In other words, the survey represent a tiny proportion of transitioners. Similarly, a small number of people actually die from the effects of minor surgery - we still do minor surgery though.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:54

"are you aware that 80% of children who identify as trans will desist after puberty? "

Here's an analysis of that claim:

medium.com/@juliaserano/detransition-desistance-and-disinformation-a-guide-for-understanding-transgender-children-993b7342946e

And here's another:

growinguptransgender.wordpress.com/2017/12/03/the-end-of-the-desistance-myth/

"Are you seriously saying that that 80% should be transed, just so the 20% don't have to go through puberty?"

Don't be silly. The purpose of a gender identity clinic is to identify the genuine cases. Puberty blockade allows time for that process to be thorough.

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sleepingdragons · 05/06/2018 13:53

You mean like forcing a trans child to go through the puberty that feels wrong for them despite knowing that it will leave them with physical changes that will haunt them for the rest of their lives and may drive them to suicide.

Our concerns are similar in many ways. It's just that you don't seem to want to accept the significant risks of blockers, hormones and surgery.

Transition as a young person leaves people with physical changes that will haunt them for the rest of their lives and may drive them to suicide.

What we're talking about here is creating infertile adults with little or no sexual function, if transition happens early enough. (See Jazz Jennings). That's horrific.

All this language, like you're using, that presents it as a simply choice - male puberty or female puberty? Take your pick is sugar coating and hiding the reality of a lifetime of surgery, medication, infertility, sexual dysfunction. That's grossly irresponsible.

drspouse · 05/06/2018 13:52

As far as I know, the first successful case was mother to daughter.
From a female to a female.

So does not blocking puberty in some trans kids. You know - like death for example.
You also know that we are not going to believe your scaremongering on the suicide rate in children who don't transition (as opposed to those who do transition, those who are gay/lesbian and those who have the same mental health problems as those "trans" kids also have). Owing to the fact that the data are rubbish. So you might as well give up with that tack.

UpstartCrow · 05/06/2018 13:52

The solution is not to neuter them.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 13:51

Wakame We appreciate there are some people who think they are more important than they really are. You are not answering questions, you are giving opinions. HTH

AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 13:51

Terry is right, I should take my own advice about not wrestling pigs. Seaweed here has a long history that already makes it very clear where they're coming from - there's nothing new to learn here.

OldCrone · 05/06/2018 13:51

So does not blocking puberty in some trans kids.
But how do you know which ones, when 80% desist after puberty?

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:50

"The solution is to examine why children are unhappy in their gender roles."

It's not about gender roles - it's about gender identity - 2 different things (transology 1.01).

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OldCrone · 05/06/2018 13:50

You mean like forcing a trans child to go through the puberty that feels wrong for them despite knowing that it will leave them with physical changes that will haunt them for the rest of their lives and may drive them to suicide.

wakame are you aware that 80% of children who identify as trans will desist after puberty? Are you seriously saying that that 80% should be transed, just so the 20% don't have to go through puberty?

UpstartCrow · 05/06/2018 13:49

Medical transitioning of children means they are sterile and unable to orgasm when they reach adulthood

terryleather · 05/06/2018 13:49

I can see merit in both sides of the argument wrt how to deal with this situation.

I think it probably does suck time and energy especially if some posters on the boards are not aware of someone like Wakame's history but if that's been flagged up and people still want to engage then fine - I'm never really comfortable with shutting down the conversation.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:48

"Do try to be a bit less creepy, dear."

Right back at ya ;-)

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:47

"Blocking puberty at any point has massive effects."

So does not blocking puberty in some trans kids. You know - like death for example.

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AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 13:47

Do try to be a bit less creepy, dear.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:46

"Odd, isn't it, how women prefer not to be seen as a source of spare parts for males?"

I take it your not on the organ donor register then. Perhaps you should campaign for a new register where you can specify what sort of people get your organs - no blacks, no Irish, no trans maybe?

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:45

"Where are the uteruses for the uterus transplants going to come from, OP?"

As far as I know, the first successful case was mother to daughter. That's right - someone loved their daughter enough to donate their womb.

But hey, I've already been compared to Ed Gein in this forum - why not Burke and Hare too?

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AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 13:43

Odd, isn't it, how women prefer not to be seen as a source of spare parts for males?

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:43

"In any other avenue adults who promote anything remotely harmful to children have the door rightly slammed shut in their face. "

You mean like forcing a trans child to go through the puberty that feels wrong for them despite knowing that it will leave them with physical changes that will haunt them for the rest of their lives and may drive them to suicide.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:40

"Today in TRA news - organ harvesting is in no way sinister and should not be objected to by the people whose organs it's been decided should be up for grabs."

Yes, because of course, trans women are advocating for the forced harvesting of wombs. You people are so funny.

Here's an thought though, perhaps if Posie Parker gets her way and trans men are forcibly sterilised, there'll be plenty of wombs to go round Hmm

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FermatsTheorem · 05/06/2018 13:40

Where are the uteruses for the uterus transplants going to come from, OP?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/06/2018 13:40

Yes. There's no good faith here. It's entrapment

As well as this it's an attempt to suck our energy in a fruitless battle and distract us from more productive endeavours.

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:38

Just want to repeat this excellent observation by NatLuc:

"Because the way I see it, is that if trans young people are forced to be powerless with regards to their own body decisions then 'the system' should pay for forcing these young people to undergo otherwise avoidable changes. Not just some of the treatments, but all of them. And see them through to completion (for example, 30 hours of electorlysis paid for on the NHS and also £2500 worth of laser our of my own pocket for facial hair removal is not enough. I will likely need another 40+ hours to totally clear the hair I have due to puberty at £60 an hour). "

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Wakame · 05/06/2018 13:36

"Somebody's making a great profit out of other people's misery. Drugs, surgery, facial feminization, hair transplants, surrogates."

I know, and then there's also those oncology consultants making a fortune out of cancer.

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