Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

You are not answering the questions.

Can humans change sex?

If humans cannot change sex how is it ethical to treat affirmatively?

How can highly harmful drugs be justified for minors?

Your original post has been replied to and the study within has been critiqued and commented on. The data is poor, the study design is poor. It wouldn’t have passed my review.

This is a parenting site. Most of us have children. All of us are supportive of child safeguarding measures and all of us are critical of anything that can harm children or remove child safeguarding measures. And, I must say, of people and groups who push harmful treatments onto minors for ideological purposes.

"I don't see how the suicide stats CAN be true on current numbers, even if they once were. Well, maybe 'suicide attempts plus ideation', but not actual suicides."

I agree but I fear for the effect of the attempts to discourage people receiving medical treatment as early as possible and the horrible abuse we are now seeing with terms like TIM being used.

Medically transitioned children are sterile and unable to orgasm as adults.

Its odd that you expect women on the feminist board of a parenting forum to agree with it.

Can humans change sex?

If not, how is it ethical to affirmatively treat children with GID?

How can dosing 100% oh gender questioning children with highly damaging drugs be justified when 80% of the population desists?

I don't see how the suicide stats CAN be true on current numbers, even if they once were. Well, maybe 'suicide attempts plus ideation', but not actual suicides.

With over 2000 new GI referrals each year, you would be seeing (ballpark) 1000 suicides or serious attempts in transgender children annually if those stats were correct. But there were around 200 child suicides last year in the UK in total, all of them appalling, but not all of them trans. It's not even clear if any of them were trans.

Wakame:

How can the dosing of the 80% of children who desist be justified? It cannot. It is unethical and abusive.

If you treat an anorexic that way you kill them. If you support a trans child through transition, you save them. Think about it

This has echoes with comments such as "I'd rather have a son than a dead daughter"

Do you agree that Samaritans' guidance should be taken seriously?

www.samaritans.org/media-centre/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide

Wakame I don't think of anything you say because you talk crap.

If you stop trans kids having puberty blockers then they are at high risk of serious side effects that are irreversible and lifelong.

No you don’t. The entire population of patients undergoes intensive counselling. You watch and wait. 80% of the patient population will reconcile with their sex.

One in three women will get breast cancer in their lifetime. Do we pre emptivelyvtreat all women with highly toxic chemotherapy regimens? No, because it would be unethical. It is unethical to give harmful treatment to patients who may not need it

Where those patients are minors, it’s not only unethical, it’s abusive.

What is supposed to happen to the 80% of children who desist and have been dosed with these drugs?

If only you were ignoring trans kids and the doctors who help them. You really should you know - they are saying the same thing as me.

What, like the Tavistock/NHS best practice being "watch and wait"?
I'd prefer not to ignore them thanks. Especially if someone gets their hands on my children and tells them that an identity crisis or dodgy mental health = they are trans.

Wakame

I wonder if you share my concerns that reporting and discussing the vulnerability of younger people who may be transgender almost always includes reference to the high levels of suicide ideation and attempts associated?

The Samaritans have well established guidance about how suicide should be discussed responsibly in recognition of the very serious impact this can have on people who are vulnerable due to emotional distress:

www.samaritans.org/media-centre/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide

huge percentage of trans people attempt suicide. It's really that bad.

So we keep being told. Repeatedly. And yet those statistics have been debunked haven’t they?

So then we need to look at why the idea that ‘let us do this or we kill ourselves’ is pressed so hard by TRAs. It comes down to the medical issues - the ONLY justification you could possibly envisage for giving such a harmful and damaging drug to a child (and lets be clear again, blockers are harmful, they are not a harmless pause button and they have lifelong, often catastrophic multi system effects) is if you imply that child will kill themselves otherwise.

But the suicide stats have been debunked. And the blockers are extremely harmful. So the risk balance is in favour of watchful waiting and psychological support (NOT affirmative chemical and surgical treatment) until puberty is completed and a child reaches an age where they have full competency to consent.

I remain extremely suspicious of anyone who wants to give children harmful drugs and interfere with their physical and psychosocial development. There is no other area in which this would be acceptable. None.

forcing a trans child to go through the puberty that feels wrong for them
Puberty feels wrong for a heck of a lot of people - male and female - I'd say it was more common to feel it is wrong than not. Yet most of us are not trans.

You obviously haven't read my post about us not listening to you when you harp on about suicide given the flawed stats.

So you just sit there and say LA LA LA PUBERTY FEELS BAD LA LA LA SUICIDE STATS and we'll ignore you.
Sounds like a good deal to me.

Puberty blockers are not a harmless pause button - do you understand that? If you give children puberty blockers then they are at high risk of serious side effects that are irreversible and lifelong.

There is no harmless way to stop puberty. Every time you do it, you cause harm. That harm has to be balanced against benefit - so in a preschooler going through precocious puberty that may be justified. In a population where 80% will desist and the body is healthy and going through puberty normally there can be no ethical justification.

There is no mechanism for one sex to undergo the puberty of the opposite sex correctly.

Do you believe humans can change sex?