Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

"There are very few circumstances where a birth certificate can be changed. This is because a birth certificate is an historical record, which was correct when the birth was registered"

Correct because it doesn't need to change because it is reinterpreted

No one I know, apart from one trans person, has a gender identity

I think it's becoming particularly fashionable amongst young people, except that they understand gender as 'male' and 'female'.

Has anyone met someone who does not claim to be trans, who claims to have a “gender identity “ ? I haven’t. It just seems an inflated way of describing tastes, personality, likes and dislikes. I don’t have a gender identity. No one I know, apart from one trans person, has a gender identity. There is this myth that we all have one, and it is innate and immutable. Children are being told that they must have one. I am a female person, I like some traditionally female things, and some traditionally male things. Like everyone else I’ve ever met.

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"There are very few circumstances where a birth certificate can be changed. This is because a birth certificate is an historical record, which was correct when the birth was registered"

www.deedpoll.org.uk/CanABirthCertificateBeChanged.html

OldCrone trans ideology is profoundly homophobic. It's hardly surprising that the well-being of kids who'll grow up to be LGB aren't a priority for TRAs.

I agree on that one flibgib
Two birth certificates denotes a legal male female. Not a female.

Wakame at14. 17 you inserted the word forcibly there. Stop exaggerating.

the doctors are best to decide on a case by case basis

If the majority of children will desist, and you can't tell which ones, it is unethical to treat any of them with powerful puberty blocking medication.

Psychosexual outcome of gender-dysphoric children.

CONCLUSIONS:
Most children with gender dysphoria will not remain gender dysphoric after puberty. Children with persistent GID are characterized by more extreme gender dysphoria in childhood than children with desisting gender dysphoria. With regard to sexual orientation, the most likely outcome of childhood GID is homosexuality or bisexuality.

Only the truly homophobic would advocate treating all those children with puberty blockers.

No one willing to say humans can change sex?

Thought not. So why are women being hounded off twitter etc for saying men remain men?

It's a bit graphic but try this

1. It is not clear what age the poster is
2. People in the thread are confirming that it may be possible to perform SRS with a micro-penis, sexual function is not discussed.

The original birth certificate remains with the original observed sex. The anendended documentation such as passports etc are given.

There is no change of sex. There is a legal fiction that the person can be recognised as the opposite sex

do you believe humans can change sex?

the doctors are best to decide on a case by case basis worries me.

A couple of years ago, DD narrowly avoided what would have been utterly unnecessary surgery, strongly recommended by her consultant, when she by chance saw a different consultant brought in to help with the workload. (He suggested an alternative treatment, which has worked well, leaves no 6-inch scars and didn't require 6 months of recovery.)

Misdiagnosis happens. Unless you think that every child who is gender-questioning is automatically trans, and that it's a tragedy for a child NOT to turn out to be trans, you have to go cautiously.

"The original birth certificate retains the sex observed (not assigned, one does not flip a coin or choose, one observes the sex of the baby.)"

No. The original birth certificate is a document so it is subject to s9(ii) of the Gender Recognition Act and, if it says male, that is read as" female". You really need to read the law.

Wakame
As SupermatchGame said:..

As I replied to SMG:
The bit you quote from the second article has no references to back it up. If the authors are so sure that people could not be cured of their delusions, then why not cite the studies which showed this to be the case?

The first article is irrelevant as it is about 'curing' a homosexual transsexual of their homosexuality.

Because you are applying the term to women, not to men.

So do you believe humans can change sex?

"What we are saying is that children who are prevented from going through puberty at a young age won't be sexually mature adults. How can they be if they've not gone through puberty.

See Jazz Jennings. Been on blockers for ages, their penis is a child's penis, can't use it to make a neo-vagina. Don't tell me they have normal sexual function, they don't."

It's a bit graphic but try this www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=160258.0

That's an irrelevant question because the Gender Recognition Act recognises that the original sex assignment is wrong. That's why s9(ii) of the a t requires that historical documents etc are re-interprepted.

No it isn't irrelevant. The law does not say a person has changed sex. The law allows the person to be treated as the opposite sex in a number of arena.

Historical documents remain. The original birth certificate retains the sex observed (not assigned, one does not flip a coin or choose, one observes the sex of the baby.) and new documents are issued on top of that to retain the legal fiction. So a new birth certificate is obtained, the original remains and the person involved has a set of legal protection due to their transgender status. As is proper under the law.

The question can humans change sex is actually key to the whole debate.

I keep asking it, and not a single person has said yes. Can you imagine that? We are being asked to give up vital protections for women, we are being told to believe that a man can become a woman - actually become one. And we are reviving twitter bans and censure for saying transwomen are Male and men do not have penises.

And yet not a single person I’ve asked the question to will nail their colours to the post and say they believe humans can actually change sex.

They usually reply with some waffle about gender, spectrums blah blah. But nobody yet has said they believe humans can change sex. actual sex. Not gender or feelings. Sex.

Which is really fascinating.

"But puberty blockers are powerful drugs. Apart from all the side effects which people keep telling you about, they stop the maturation of the brain which would cause desistance in most children. So they nearly all go on to cross-sex hormones. Puberty blockers effectively create transgender children. Do you think that's a good thing?"

The believe that, for anyone under age, the doctors are best to decide on a case by case basis.

I assure you that trans people are orgasmic

Nobody is saying that no trans people can orgasm.

What we are saying is that children who are prevented from going through puberty at a young age won't be sexually mature adults. How can they be if they've not gone through puberty.

See Jazz Jennings. Been on blockers for ages, their penis is a child's penis, can't use it to make a neo-vagina. Don't tell me they have normal sexual function, they don't.

The purpose of a gender identity clinic is to identify the genuine cases. Puberty blockade allows time for that process to be thorough.

But puberty blockers are powerful drugs. Apart from all the side effects which people keep telling you about, they stop the maturation of the brain which would cause desistance in most children. So they nearly all go on to cross-sex hormones. Puberty blockers effectively create transgender children. Do you think that's a good thing?

"A Male, who identifies as trans. It seems fairly descriptive to me. Can you explain in what way it is abusive? "

Because you are applying the term to women, not to men.

"Can humans change sex?"

That's an irrelevant question because the Gender Recognition Act recognises that the original sex assignment is wrong. That's why s9(ii) of the a t requires that historical documents etc are re-interprepted.

Can you explain how TIM is abusive? Dispassionately?

A Male, who identifies as trans. It seems fairly descriptive to me. Can you explain in what way it is abusive?

I would class horrible abuse, by the way, as stuff like being blocked from a meeting by masked men, or being punched to the floor by a chap who is six foot two when you’re a sixty year old small woman. Or being stalked online, or shouted at or spat at in the street. That sort of thing. Or online, genuine threats, swearing, etc.

I’m interested in how generally polite but disagreeing posts on a parenting site can be construed in someone’s mind as ‘horrible abuse.’ It seems to imply a very unbalanced view of reality.

"Medically transitioned children are ... unable to orgasm as adults."

What complete and utter rubbish. I assure you that trans people are orgasmic

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