Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

Oh and as for the 'there's no pharma interest in trans medication' line: "The injections are leuprorelin made intramuscularly by a health professional. Depot Lupron can cost from $700 to $1,500 a month depending on the country where it is practiced.

The implant is a small tube containing histrelin. The implant needs to be replaced every year. The total cost of histrelin treatment with the surgery is $15,000."

So no vested interest in that at all

www.nwhn.org/lupron-what-does-it-do-to-womens-health/
www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/
www.lupronvictimshub.com/

It's 'chillingly awful' to give children puberty blockers and to position them as a 'pause' for them to consider their options. It's a hideous lie and there will be lawsuits.

The fact that you’ve twisted this into children being less deserving of medical care is beyond disgusting.

YY. I know what I think is "chillingly awful".

It sickens me that the idea that they’ll pass easier is given more importance than the physical effects of these drugs.

It's because this child transing is being pushed to prop up their ideology and legitimise the cause. I don't think large scale sterilisation of physically healthy children legitimises anything, but this is Orwellian Opposite World we're dealing with.

Having known adults who've taken Lupron I'd never give it to a child. The side effects are brutal (and well documented, look up the class action lawsuit).

It breaks my hearts. These children are being misled and down the line this will be a huge scandal. I hope there aren’t too many victims.

If one of my children needed them due to precocious puberty I would have a very hard time deciding what to do. If they were trans, there’s nothing on earth that would make me give them these drugs, and I’m not sure anyone who’s been on them would either.

Neither sperm nor ova would be mature enough before a certain age anyway.

These children would be sterilised.

Can these kids comprehend this?

I don't think this matters to the likes of Gibberty and wakame. They need a generation of fucked up children to validate their claims that they always 'felt' like girls/women. The more children there are who are 'trans', the more the world believes that they 'always knew they were female', because some people are 'born in the wrong body'.

I hope that at some point everyone will eventually wake up and realise that (a) most children who go through a phase of thinking they're the opposite sex grow out of it, and (b) only a tiny minority of people have gender dysphoria (nothing like the numbers of children being referred for the condition) and (c) most of the people pushing the trans agenda are cross dressing fetishists, and drugged and mutilated children are just collateral damage to validate their fetish.

Sentence should read...

routed in a mysogynistic medical model.

Train of thought inturrupted by scavenging children.

Yes, not to mention the fact that freezing unfertilised eggs is dramatically less effective than freezing fertilised eggs - even if they did this, the chances of being able to conceive and carry successfully from an unfertilised frozen egg is small. Can these kids comprehend this?

Shocker, no response? Thought not.

The fact that you’ve twisted this into children being less deserving of medical care is beyond disgusting.

Children deserve a future, a life, a life worth living. If that requires transition, they can receive non-invasive treatment until their bodies are mature - at least they’ll maintain their fertility and their physical health. Condemning them to a life of potentially horrendous complications so that they’ll pass more easily is unconscionable. They can’t become the other sex biologically, they can’t retain their fertility so this is a shocking thing to put a child through. No child of 11 is worrying about having kids in the future, so let’s see what the regret rate is when these kids hit 35.

No, Gibberty, people think children are deserving of not being given unnecessary medication with appalling side effects for a condition that they will more than likely grow out of in a few years.

Read TammySwansonTwo's post at 15:44.

I know it was at the beginning but I just wanted to pick up on a point about harvesting sperm and ova.

Even if it were possible in a pre-pubescent child of either sex (which it isn’t), the extraction of the relative gametes differs wildly in its safety and efficacy.

Whilst the risks of sperm harvesting are, well, pretty much zero (save for perhaps a touch of carpal tunnel syndrome for the over vigorous harvester) because they are meant to leave the body, Ova are not and the risks of attempting to retrieve them include death and that’s not even going into the invasive nature of the procedure. To blithely throw out “well you can just harvest them, so what’s the problem” type statements is both deeply ignorant and almost always routed in a mysogynostic. And the idea of doing unnesasary and invasive gynecological procedures on children and young teens... I can’t even begin to articulate how seriously fucked up I find that.

"Who is denying treatment to everyone? I said earlier in the thread: what you do with your body, as an adult, is up to you. But don't medicate healthy children"

There are a lot of people on this thread who seem to think that children are less deserving of the medical treatment - as determined by doctors - than adults. That's chillingly awful

And if they don't fit in neatly to whatever stereotypes they perceive as representing their sex, they're going to think there is a problem. And that's I think why we're seeing this huge number of young non binary and transgender identified females.

Where were all the transgender children 30, 40 or 50 years ago?

Thanks Eresh - it’s like banging my head against a brick wall. It’s not essential, trans people have existed and transitioned long before it was thought of to give gnrh analogues to children.

It sickens me that the idea that they’ll pass easier is given more importance than the physical effects of these drugs. They’re told passing = happiness, but that happiness comes with a few trivial inconveniences (you know, like sterility, asexuality, pituitary disorders, thyroid disorders, chronic fatigue, inability to work, inability to maintain relationships, chronic pain, depression, suicidality).

But hey, you’ll pass!

Equally only the truly transphobic would deny treatment to everyone.

Who is denying treatment to everyone? I said earlier in the thread: what you do with your body, as an adult, is up to you. But don't medicate healthy children.

sure, ignore this again. Trans children - even those who do not desist - can transition as adults if they wish. Giving them a drug that fucks with their pituitary gland and causes IRREVERSIBLE damage is not essential, but that’s what they’re being told all over the Internet. They’re being told that their lives will be unbearable if they don’t - I’ve seen it happen.

This. I've put it in bold in the hope that it will be addressed.

Equally only the truly transphobic would deny treatment to everyone.

Or alternatively people concerned about the welfare of children. No one here is denying it to adults.

Children are being told that they must have one

I think this is a real concern. And if they don't fit in neatly to whatever stereotypes they perceive as representing their sex, they're going to think there is a problem. And that's I think why we're seeing this huge number of young non binary and transgender identified females. They're rejecting the constrictions of being female, but they should be encouraged to believe that's possible without these extreme interventions.

"Only the truly homophobic would advocate treating all those children with puberty blockers."

Equally only the truly transphobic would deny treatment to everyone.

Has anyone met someone who does not claim to be trans, who claims to have a “gender identity “ ?

I've had a few people tell me that they, and I, have a gender identity that matches our sex.

I certainly don't have any at all but I suspect they were persuaded they had to look for one deeeeep inside.

See, it’s funny because on multiple occasions on this thread alone I have referenced the decade-long effects I’ve suffered after just two years on gnrh analogues as a grown woman, and yet you don’t seem to want to respond to that.

I’ve been unable to work a proper job for 8 years. For six years, I became completely asexual where I wasn’t before. I have the precursor to osteoporosis. I have fatigue so severe I can’t move some days. My hormones are fucked. My thyroid is fucked. My body is fucked. My marriage was utterly fucked. If you want to talk about suicidal, talk to a group of women who’ve been on this medication temporarily and whose lives have been decimated, then see if you fancy giving this drug to your own child for extended periods of time.

But sure, ignore this again. Trans children - even those who do not desist - can transition as adults if they wish. Giving them a drug that fucks with their pituitary gland and causes IRREVERSIBLE damage is not essential, but that’s what they’re being told all over the Internet. They’re being told that their lives will be unbearable if they don’t - I’ve seen it happen.

When I was trying to understand what was happening when this drug detonated my entire life, I went looking for answers. There were none. The research isn’t there. I posted on various forums in the last 10 years and i still get emails to this day from desperate women in the same situation.

This issue of suicide really, really upsets me. I've lost patients and family members to it; suicide is horrific, devastating, and there is nothing good about it. Full stop.

Threatening suicide, however, is an entirely different matter. Sometimes, it's a cry for help. Sometimes, it's emotional blackmail.

If it's a cry for help, then there is clearly an underlying mental health issue. That individual needs prompt assessment and intensive treatment, (likely for a major depressive disorder), REGARDLESS of other comorbidities.

The threat of suicide being used as a manipulative tactic, whether in a marriage, relationship between parent-child, or on a larger cultural scale to achieve a specific aim is abhorrent and unethical. We must be brave enough to call it out.

Ironic, too, that many trans-rights individuals focus so much on suicide while they actively try to remove gender identity disorders from mental health classification...

I was looking for the BBC program that I watched last year, 'No More Boys & Girls, can our kids go gender free?' Its sadly no longer available on iPlayer.
I thought it made such important points about how limiting gender stereotypes were.
www.outlineproductions.co.uk/productions/no-more-boys-and-girls-can-our-kids-go-gender-free/