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Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

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Wakame · 04/06/2018 12:46

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

A study has found that young adults who transitioned in childhood through puberty suppression and cross sex hormones are thriving. Here's an excerpt:

"After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being."

It's a small study, but of course, when the results are so unambiguous, they become statistically significant even with smaller studies. You can of course counter this study with more science - just find a larger study that shows the opposite.

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Wakame · 04/06/2018 13:19

All studies have limitations, including the one I am sure you are about to post showing negative results for a group of trans children followed into adulthood after puberty suppression and cross sex hormones. I mean assume you have such a study? Or is this the best science we currently have on the matter?

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Keeptrudging · 04/06/2018 13:17

It may be true for children with genuine dysphoria, who have been like that from a very young age. I don't believe that is the majority of children with gender issues though, so still think the best approach (for the vast majority), is a 'wait and see' whilst allowing them to go through puberty. Counselling/love and support. No medical intervention until they're old enough to fully understand the implications of hormones/surgery. Do no harm.

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Wakame · 04/06/2018 13:16

"Can humans change sex."

I'll tell you what - I'll see if I can find time to make a new thread out of it in the coming days.

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OldCrone · 04/06/2018 13:16

It's always a good idea to read the whole paper, not just the abstract. From the discussion:

"Despite promising findings, there were various limitations. First, the study sample was small and came from only 1 clinic. Second, this study did not focus on physical side effects of treatment. Publications on physical parameters of the same cohort of adolescents are submitted or in preparation... Third, ... a selection bias could exist between adolescents of the original cohort that participated in this study compared with nonparticipants."

So, three limitations which make this a poor study: small sample size, only analysing one aspect of the outcomes, selection bias (what was the outcome for the young people who did not participate in the study?).

Another bit of the discussion:
"Despite the fact that developing evidence suggests that cognitive and affective cross-gender identification, social role transition, and age at assessment are related to persistence of childhood GD into adolescence, predicting individual persistence at a young age will always remain difficult."

In other words, some children who would have desisted in their dysphoria will be medical patients for life, along with all the other negatives mentioned by Bowlofbabelfish.

Bowlofbabelfish · 04/06/2018 13:14

A strict binary does exist. You answered with some waffle about spectrums and gender and feelings.

I’m talking about sex. Can humans change sex.

Terfing · 04/06/2018 13:13

I'd be interested to know who funds that journal...

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Wakame · 04/06/2018 13:13

Can anyone post a study that has followed trans kids into adulthood and found negative results? Because if you can't, then the best science you have on the subject is the science I just gave you.

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Wakame · 04/06/2018 13:11

"Wakame, I’ve asked you before and you’ve not answered: can humans change sex?"

I think I answered that fairly thoroughly. Have another look at the thread - you need to find the bit about the question not making sense because it presupposes a strict binary that doesn't actually exist.

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Wakame · 04/06/2018 13:09

"Wakame is aiming to derail a Feminist Chat board."

You might have noticed that this feminist chat board has a lot of threads on trans kids. Posting one that counters some of the others with science, is not really what "derailing" means.

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user1471441738 · 04/06/2018 13:02

Where are the controls?

It's fairly well known that people get happier with their bodies after teenage years.

For this to have any value we'd need comparison with young people who didn't transition.

loveyouradvice · 04/06/2018 12:58

I am going to propose that no one else answers this thread ... Wakame is aiming to derail a Feminist Chat board... has done it before and is doing it again....Really great that Bowl has pasted one cogent response - Let's not add any more

Bowlofbabelfish · 04/06/2018 12:51

80% of children who question gender identity desist.

There is no clinical or ethical justification for affirmative treatment, puberty blockers and cross sex hormones in children. The drugs used have catastrophic physical and cognitive effects, which are irreversible, including:

Sterility
Metabolic disturbances leading to future issues like diabetes
Cognitive decline equivalent to 8IQ points
Osteoporosis

No other field of medicine would be allowed to inflict such catastrophic damage on children if only 20% of the treatment cohort ‘needed’ them. Not a single one. This is child abuse.

These children will never be fertile, never go through correct puberty, and will retain pre pubescent features. They will never have a sex life. Their future risk of cancer, osteoporosis and diabetes will increase.

And no, it being a small study but ... does NOT increase significance. That’s not how stats work.

Wakame, I’ve asked you before and you’ve not answered: can humans change sex?

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