What if we fail?

I agree, Pratchet. If anything it wouldn't surprise me if more cosmetic surgeries will become available to them.

Funding

The finding won't dry up

Can't clicky wah

The TRAs are shooting themselves in the foot. The funding for NHS treatment will dry up.

Only a very small percentage of transpeople want and have any sort of surgery and I've been told that any drugs they take are very cheap. For the vast majority of trans NHS funding is if little importance.

When the wolves took off their sheep's clothing, many of us are saying 'shit, we were duped'. And this abusive 'you've failed already, we're already in your spaces' sets off even more red flags - to be honest, all I can see is a swathe of red material.

Me too. So much.

The comment "I have 'girl' on my birth certificate" made me cringe and wince.

The word is female.

would never say "I'm a 'girl'" on my birth certificate. I don't know any women who would use that wording. Girl?

Yes I thought exactly the same.

Lets assume thats true, rather than it being about validation.

I think you answer your own question. It isn't true. It is all about validation in the vast majority of cases. And not being laughed/stared at by men probably. But as you say it's ultimately self defeating.

Oh WAKAME, you've done it again. You've given your game away.

I would never say "I'm a 'girl'" on my birth certificate. I don't know any women who would use that wording. Girl?

Most, and I, would say I'm female (as per your marker, if you have a GRC, you will also have that as a legal definition, though as we know it's a legal definitinon, not a biological one. You weren't born female - otherwise, you wouldn't be defined as 'trans').

How many women really would say 'I'm a 'girl' on my birth certificate'?

Any anyone stating 'puberty suppression' as a normal protocol gets my red flags flying.

So many TRAs still don't get how many of us here were trans 'allies' until this dogma, denial of reality, childhood rights and suppression of risk analysis for new medical treatments reared its head and started shouting at us - us, who were open, willing to support those who felt 'different'.

When the wolves took off their sheep's clothing, many of us are saying 'shit, we were duped'. And this abusive 'you've failed already, we're already in your spaces' sets off even more red flags - to be honest, all I can see is a swathe of red material.

But thank you, as I still need posts like yours to remind me of the swathes of red you and other 'trans-rights activists' are stitching together in the sky.

@Pythagonal

So true...

"I have the niggling suspicion that if the changes to the GRA go through, then the NHS will stop funding treatment. Theresa May has already stated that being trans isn't an illness..."

The TRAs are shooting themselves in the foot. The funding for NHS treatment will dry up. Maybe the good side will be unnecessary procedures won't get done, but also counselling and other genuine support might not happen.

Trans people need care and support and they will not get it. I wish the TRAs would see the harm that is being done to genuine trans people and gender non-conforming children, especially girls.

Based on the fact that the worst thing that has happened in the loo so far is that some men gave the transgender identified males the side eye I am guessing the "we need to use women as human shields to protect us from male violence" argument is a lie.

You want to be in the women's changing room etc presumably you wouldnt like it if a man walked in freely?

This is something thats never made se4nse to me at all. TRAs claim they use the womens as they are scared of male violence. Lets assume thats true, rather than it being about validation. So TRAs use the womens to escape violent blokes. But then they also fight for self ID. Thus meaning, the same violent blokes that TRAs are using the womens to escape, can now follow them into the womens?

It’s been disaster, to include males in any way in feminism.

Does that include trans allies?

But where are gay men, with lesbians facing erasure from their own community? Gay men could shut transactivism down tomorrow, if they wanted to. But they do nothing.

I'm not sure how they could shut it down but I've seen plenty of gay men online expressing support for women. I don't think all of them are doing nothing.

Rebel - yes I know. It's so disturbing, isn't it? I've already seen arguments made for 'trans age' - things like "I missed out on having a female childhood, I want to have ballet lessons and pink birthday cake for my 6th birthday" etc.

@ToeToToe there's already someone identifying as female....a 6 yo female!

Wakame

You may pass, or people might just be polite.

As for trans children, there is no such thing.

www.lupronvictimshub.com/lawsuits.html

I wondered when the doctors who did these things to children would start trying to justify what they did.
A less than 50% success rate after only six years is horrific malpractice.

I thought middle class white men were just whinging about being the most oppressed EVAH YAH and that was it. But this is the payback for women and people of colour who dared to challenge white male supremacy. If only it was just whinging.

Transracialism is here. Labour schemes are open to people who identify as BME. The home office BAME network is for people who self identify as BAME.

Ohh I'm famous on twitter.

Wakame i dont understand why self id would be an advantage to you or the children you mention?
You have a GRC, the children need support & you say treatment.

Can you see that self id has many real potential issues for women's safety? You want to be in the women's changing room etc presumably you wouldnt like it if a man walked in freely?