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What if we fail?

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Terfulike · 03/06/2018 15:40

I find myself worrying about where we will be 2, 5, 10, 20 years from now if we fail to stop the tide that, just now, with the GRA reforms, threatens to redefine the meaning of the word woman, erase lesbians and damage a generation of children.

I'm not saying we should give up: anything but. In fact, I think it might be an important motivating factor to consider what else might happen if our MPs continue to enshrine lies into laws.

What will come next?

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TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 06/06/2018 18:44

Hmm. My kids say male and female (born in last few years). Mine says female (born 1987). My mother in laws says female (born 1955). My father in laws says 'sex' but is blank Hmm (born 1950 but not in UK) My fathers says male (born 1960). I don't have my mothers.

But... seeing as the GRA (ability to change sex on your birth certificate) didn't come in until 2004... would it really have changed boy to girl? Or boy to female in line with 2004 wording on birth certs? This is strangely quite interesting.

Yes, really quite interesting.

Ereshkigal · 06/06/2018 18:31

This is strangely quite interesting

It is!

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Terfulike · 06/06/2018 18:30

My apologies Rebel, it just seemed like you were all giving the other poster a deliberately hard time.

Top to Toe
Do you mean "As you were" as in you think I needed to check my family's birth certs (which I didn't as I already knew) or "As you were" like senior police officers do on programmes like "Line of Duty"?

In any case

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Melamin · 06/06/2018 18:27

You can google birth certificates - If it says boy/girl or male/female seems to depend on the Registar. Some of the short ones have only a name.

My mother's was the short one, and did not even have a name on it. Just 'Female child', the Male and Female were printed and one crossed out.

Picassospaintbrush · 06/06/2018 18:23

Whack a mole is a grumpy old man.

ToeToToe · 06/06/2018 18:19

I didn't deny anything, thank you for that Terfulike.

I was interested, checked my own children's, and posted on here.

As you were.

Opheliah · 06/06/2018 18:17

Well we may have established a ballpark guess at Wakames age...

But... seeing as the GRA (ability to change sex on your birth certificate) didn't come in until 2004... would it really have changed boy to girl? Or boy to female in line with 2004 wording on birth certs? This is strangely quite interesting.

RebelRogue · 06/06/2018 18:16

@Terfulike I'm talking that at the moment or at least recent birth certificates state male/female.
I don't know when they changed or why.

I'm not denying boy/girl existed. I've seen the pictures,but they weren't recent.

Sorry if it sounded that way.

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Terfulike · 06/06/2018 18:12

Rebel/ToptoToe
I must say that the evidence is there that girl/boy was written on birth certs in UK. Mine does (1964).My kids: male/female (1997--)
It does us no favours to deny truth backed by evidence you know! Id hoped people on here respected that.

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Ereshkigal · 06/06/2018 18:09

Going out though so won't be until about midnight!

Ereshkigal · 06/06/2018 18:08

I've got a copy of my dads at home from 1956. I will check when I get in.

RebelRogue · 06/06/2018 18:05

@Wakame I'm looking at a recent UK birth certificate. It states female. Posting pics of some 100 years ago proves nothing.
Sending me to google.es(spain?!?) also proves nothing.

At the moment birth certificates from the uk state female.

Italiangreyhound · 06/06/2018 17:59

"GibbertyFlibbert voters may want people to be positive to trans people. But self id takes away real way of telling who is trans and who is not. I am astounded genuine trans people, who have been through a process themselves would not want to have that process and those gate keeping protections there for other trans people.

ToeToToe · 06/06/2018 17:59

My children's UK birth certificates say 'male' or 'female.' I've just looked.

MIdgebabe · 06/06/2018 17:54

Found this interesting ...about conversational style in men and women. May explain why some threads turn tedious rather than illuminating ( or funny) www.the-guardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/06/is-the-term-mansplaining-sexist-google-autocomplete

Wakame · 06/06/2018 17:35

"So did all the other I've seen."

Are you saying you didn't see the ones I linked to? They just above you.

Or do your own search if you prefer:

www.google.es/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1536&bih=790&ei=3QwYW_6OEcvFgAbLtKTgAg&q=UK+birth+certificate&oq=UK+birth+certificate&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1539.7384.0.8510.20.9.0.11.11.0.136.981.2j7.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.20.1020....0.JFmKK7WM_4E

Do you see any UK birth certificates with "girl" instead of "female"? Come on - be honest with me.

RebelRogue · 06/06/2018 17:29

@Wakame just checked DD's birth certificate. It says female. So did all the other I've seen.

Girl is not a sex,female is.

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 14:31

Difference is, they were girls

Wakame · 06/06/2018 14:28

"I see others also cringed at the 'girl on my birth certificate."

See above, and then check your own - you might be surprised.

Wakame · 06/06/2018 14:27

"Actually you don't 'pass' at all."

OK.

Wakame · 06/06/2018 14:26

"The comment "I have 'girl' on my birth certificate" made me cringe and wince. The word is female."

Whilst I agree that "female" would be the better word, I can assure you that the word on my birth certificate is "girl". Now, obviously, I'm not going to post my birth certificate here to prove it, but I can at least point you to some examples with "girl" (or indeed "boy") on the internet. I am including long form and short form certificates for you:

goo.gl/images/bmkPjd

goo.gl/images/dv5Eec

goo.gl/images/oyZEcu

goo.gl/images/FmrP3d

I did find one with female though:

goo.gl/images/uwjo3z

You might want to check your own - you might be surprised.

By the way - no need to apologise - I realise how determined you are to paint trans women in a bad light, and that can make it difficult for you to remain objective.

LaSqrrl · 06/06/2018 12:20

oh bugger me and the open-ended punctuation. Missing tail bracket, missing single quote...

See what happens when I get all worked up about female erasure? Broken punctuation. Luckily I am not a dude, otherwise it would have resulted in mass slaughter.

LaSqrrl · 06/06/2018 12:18

I see others also cringed at the 'girl on my birth certificate. :)

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Pratchet · 06/06/2018 11:10

Why is Vancouver Rape Centre odious?