What if we fail?

Transgender advocate have posted dozens of photoshopped pictures on tumblr proving conclusively that no one can tell the difference between a man and a woman. How can you doubt them?

The lie that people can always tell the difference between cis and trans is exposed on places like twitter where cis trans-allies are constantly abused and accused of being trans...

Not always no, and especially not on photos. But in real life, male people are obvious in general. Regardless of what they are wearing.

cis trans-allies mind bending

The lie that people can always tell the difference between cis and trans is exposed on places like twitter where cis trans-allies are constantly abused and accused of being trans...

and obviously male people should be allowed into female spaces at will is going to go down like a fart in a lift with the general public.

Same as the reason they pretend that 'trans' actually means transsexual. Rather than pretty much anyone who says they are. Many people have sympathy with transsexuals, and a lot of women would be fine with post op transsexual women in the womens areas (not all women, but a lot). The entire thing rests on the public thinking that trans means post op transsexual. Also TRAs can use the 'but transwomen have been in womens areas for ever!' as an argument..but this doesn't really work either as if transwomen already use womens areas, why the push to widen this to literally any male who wants in? However, the public are beginning to find out quite how wide 'trans' is, and that it does not actually mean what they think it does, and it seems men are just as pissed off as women when members of the opposite sex intrude on their areas. Transactivists plans are fucking up tbh, because they wanted to get this passed before anyone really noticed.

This whole 'only 4000 people have GRcs, its not working thing' is really annoying me now. When it was brought out it was estimated it would help 5000 people. Well, surely its working as intended so why the need to change?

even they realize that arguing that visibly and obviously male people should be allowed into female spaces at will is going to go down like a fart in a lift with the general public

They cannot even pass adequately enough on a no-picture, word-based format!

Male entitlement, something that is NOT removed at 'transition'.

It's interesting that TRAs keep pushing this idea that there are many people whose sex you'd never know if they didn't tell you. It seems to be one of those planks that their argument rests on because even they realize that arguing that visibly and obviously male people should be allowed into female spaces at will is going to go down like a fart in a lift with the general public.

But we have always been able to spot men trying to pass as women.

Visually, of course. And there's sound and voice, too - unmistakable.

And then, there's smell/odour. Smell is a very important sense, too.

Read? Well yes read, but not observed, nor a fact, not a reality, unless you are going to stick it on your forehead no-one will notice.

"The original record is still kept. So legally forever a male female. "

Read by law! By s9(ii) of GRA it is read as female

I thought they'd always been seaweed?

Let me try again this general way. One actually does not 'pass' at all, if one cannot even 'pass' on a text-based forum, using only the words.

Male socialisation makes it rather obvious that "I've always been a girl" is a lie.

It still means being of the sex that gestates. Sex binary is the reason the human race will be here in 2050.

It will won't include men!

Being a woman in 2000 isn't the same as it was in 1950 –if being a woman is the same in 2050 as it was in 2000 then something has gone badly wrong.

www.familytreeresources.co.uk/birth-certificate.html

It says here that it changed to male/female in 1969.

From looking at images on the internet, it would appear that before that it was either male/female or boy/girl according to local registrar. My mother's certificate of stillbirth or birth said female child and was 1939 - these seem to have been issued as the short cheap version from 1927 when stillbirths started to be registered until about 1940 and were on flimsy paper - I saw it described as like a receipt on a family tree website.

My mother was always somewhat ashamed of her birth certificate, but really it is more interesting and unusual. We told her she could probably buy a full one if she wanted........... she never needed it anyway.

Gibbert: why is a rape crisis centre 'odious'?

The original record is still kept. So legally forever a male female.
Biologically male forever, male at conception, male at birth, male always.
Even "living as a woman" as per the GRA, as only males can "live as a woman". Still male.

OK "birth certificate" is an inaccurate colloquialism for a certified copy of an entry on a register of births. The original registers are (mostly) held in local registry offices. I suspect some registrars used boy/girl and others male/female. If people get certified copies from their local office, I suspect some say boy or girl.

The General Registry Office hold copies of the registers and can also provide certified copies. The process is standardised and I suspect only male/female is used. These days, it is computerised so definitely standardised.

It's still fake news wackamole

"But... seeing as the GRA (ability to change sex on your birth certificate) didn't come in until 2004... would it really have changed boy to girl? Or boy to female in line with 2004 wording on birth certs? This is strangely quite interesting."

If they didn't use the same format as the original, it might rather give away that the person is trans, which kind of defeats the object of the reissued certificate, don't you think?

From birth certificates I have access to here, I can see one from 1961 which has Sex as Girl and one from 1978 which has Sex as Male. So the change was some time between those two years.

Checked mine and dh's birth certificates, and just like my children's they say Sex: male and Sex: female. dh and I are nearly 50 so I'd argue they have been like that for some time. When language was still meaningful a certificate that said sex: girl meant exactly the same thing as sex: female of course.