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Where do we draw the trans line....?

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loveyouradvice · 02/06/2018 16:07

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

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spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 22:43

Trans Identified Male. = Transwoman = Man.

CrunchieFriday · 04/06/2018 22:41

Could anyone enlighten me as to what TIM means, please? I've googled and bing-ed but cannot find an explanation.

Although, on the plus side, I now know that Tim is a biblical name, but I got bored of reading about Telecom Italia Mobile/Time is Money/Thermal Interface Material/ Traffic Incident Management etc etc etc on an acronym finder website.

Even the urban dictionary version of Tim is no help and certainly doesn't appear to be an insult on a par with the n-word.

WTF does it mean?!

On another note, I wore navy blue knickers in a northern school, too Grin

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 22:16

If she is arrested by the thought police, we'll send her a MN card from Funky pigeon. Halo

Newspeak · 04/06/2018 22:01

If you do not immediately desist @Ereshkigal you will be sent to room 101 might even call the thought police
Grin

Ereshkigal · 04/06/2018 21:57

Have we always been at war with Eastasia?

Newspeak · 04/06/2018 21:56

This is a public service announcement the ministry of truth has decreed that anything TIMs say is truth and must be taken as fact. Any deviation from this narrative will be dealt with as hate crime.

Welcome to Oceania
WinkWink

Truscum · 04/06/2018 21:16

Aw thanks GrinFlowers

I don’t envy the flak you must take from the TRA crowd

They try their best, though funnily enough they seem to prefer harassing women.

Bowlofbabelfish · 04/06/2018 18:49

truscum you remain a voice of sense and reason. Flowers I’m sure there are many other transitioned/transitioning transwomen like you, just getting on with life, and I don’t envy the flak you must take from the TRA crowd.

Kettlepotblackagain · 04/06/2018 18:46

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SirVixofVixHall · 04/06/2018 18:20

Made me laugh out loud too.
And echo the Flowers for trus.

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 18:11

Cooking dinner and still chuckling at some of the things on this thread. It is fair to say, Truscum you and MY are the only two TIM's I have any respect for and I do read and digest your words. Thank you!

Ereshkigal · 04/06/2018 17:59

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate some of the things you've said on this thread, Truscum.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 04/06/2018 17:51

Bowlofbabelfish
Think carefully. Which of these numbers is bigger: 2 or 98?
GrinGrinGrin i realise you have made many substantive contributions to this thread but this made me properly laugh.

Trus Flowers

Undercoverswede · 04/06/2018 17:50

I have always been, and still am, completely accepting of transitioned transsexual people of either kind. Never bothered me the slightest.

However, having experienced having my clothes borrowed and stolen by men for their kicks, stalking (on two separate, extremely disturbing occasions), and a smorgasbord of physical and intrusions from men with a narrow sexual interest and absolutely no compunction about lying to get what they want, I am 100% certain that it is a bad idea to let straight, physically intact male people who are aroused by wearing female accoutrements and demanding to be validated as women by women whether they want to or not, self-ID as women legally.

This does not in any way impact on what I feel regarding transitioned transsexuals. I don't think they should be lumped together at all - they behave differently and TIMs don't 'feel like women' in their communication at all. They come across as pervy, which is up to them in their own private spaces - but not to be imposed on others.

LangCleg · 04/06/2018 17:36

I can personally vouch for that one.

It makes me happy to hear that, Trus.

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 17:35

TerfsUp Stop it, I'm behaving now. Grin

TerfsUp · 04/06/2018 17:35

Or an autistic person speaks the truth?

I have autism and tip-toeing around TRAs and TRA ideology is tricky for me. It's pretty challenging for me not to be, ahem, forthright at the best of times.

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 17:34

Or when women just refuse to be blackmailed into shitting up for you?

This is me Tru. I just won't do it. I will not speak lies to validate feelings. It goes against everything I believe in.

TerfsUp · 04/06/2018 17:33

Good one, spontaneous.

I suggest buying a mistress card at Clittons Cards. You have to be careful not to rub staff the wrong way, though, or it all comes to naught.

Truscum · 04/06/2018 17:32

There is much evidence that accepting a more gender critical or realistic view of oneself leads to alleviating suicidal ideation and improving mental health in gender confused individuals

I can personally vouch for that one.

Look, it’s not nice to say it, but if your self esteem is so fragile, so precious, that it will shatter into pieces the moment someone doesn’t lie to/for you, then you need a lot more help. Transitioning will not fix that.

People around you tiptoeing around you might be a stop gap for a little while, but what happens when a young child speaks the truth? Or an autistic person speaks the truth? Or when women just refuse to be blackmailed into shitting up for you?

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 17:32

That's the point. Which is why I encourage posters not to engage.

You're right of course. I shall sit on my hands or try to.

Ereshkigal · 04/06/2018 17:30

All those people are falling through the net. And will never need to come to the attention of medical professionals if they don't take hormones (non binary etc) or they buy them online (many trans people).

TerfsUp · 04/06/2018 17:30

It wouldn't surprise me if it's zapped.

That's the point. Which is why I encourage posters not to engage.

JuzzaL · 04/06/2018 17:29

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ScarletBegonias · 04/06/2018 17:29

Oh, you've done it now, spontaneous !

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