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Where do we draw the trans line....?

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loveyouradvice · 02/06/2018 16:07

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

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AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 09:35

Didn't even care that people could see my blue-clad bum, honestly, I was just worried about losing a leg to frostbite!

In what climate are both a wooly jumper and a skirt that barely covers your arse a perfect combination for playing hockey in?

LangCleg · 05/06/2018 09:34

Latin O level here too - Caecilius est in horto...

Bowlofbabelfish · 05/06/2018 09:33

in a room full of samurai armed only with a potato peeler.

Possibly the best description of MN I’ve ever seen Grin

Bowlofbabelfish · 05/06/2018 09:32

Yes! Cover your sinful knickers girls, but also wear these ridiculous buttock length skirts! No! You may not wear tracksuit bottoms- we need to have your legs on show.

I do look back on some of the stuff we had to do at school with Confused these days. Hit with rulers too.

AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 09:28

Was holding it the wrong way round, too, the poor thing.

My school had us wear the navy knickers under little pleated skirts. I got told off for wearing trackie bottoms underneath because it was cold a lot!

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/06/2018 09:20

J4nice found herself in a room full of samurai armed only with a potato peeler.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/06/2018 09:05

Just RTWT and I've been in fits. I went to a girl's school where it was cooking or Latin. So I've got a Latin O level, though my mum still claims half of it's hers. And it was navy knickers for everything except for hockey (divided grey skirts).

Yes, MyRelationship, I clocked the "how nasty they are" reference too.

LilyMadeAgain · 05/06/2018 02:08

*an not and...

LilyMadeAgain · 05/06/2018 02:05

@MyRelationshipIsWeird

Careful....you're potentially misgrammaring now.

I'm sure J4 can find and international legal precedent about that Hmm

MyRelationshipIsWeird · 05/06/2018 02:01

Oh and navy knickers here too - in the Midlands - with one of those pleated skirts on top with the slidey fastening - genius! wish my trousers had one of those on for after a big lunch

Italiangreyhound · 05/06/2018 02:00

Don't be put of by the picture fo Riley J Denis, it's not about RJD!

Italiangreyhound · 05/06/2018 02:00

Can I just pop this link in here, it's really good. I really like Rose of Dawn. Just someone mentioned transexuals they like. Rose is fab.

MyRelationshipIsWeird · 05/06/2018 01:58

J4nice - Before this I stood up for woman but I can't bring myself to do that anymore given how hostile, abusive and nasty they are, especially when they don't get their own way

Surely you mean "how hostile, abusive and nasty we are" - not they , what with you being a woman and all?

Oh and btw the plural of woman is women - you might want to familiarise yourself with that, it's kind of handy to be able to talk about yourself and your 'gal pals' in the plural with the correct word.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 05/06/2018 00:30

Only up to

TerfsUp Mon 04-Jun-18 11:09:09

And hopefully J4 came back, I haven;t had such a laugh at a thread in a while Grin This is a pretty pointless post, except to say that I was also made to do netball, in a cold dingy northern school. Which was not fun. I was also 'encouraged' to take cooking rather than woodwork for my GCSEs. Because what bitch in their right mind would not want to learn to cook for her future husband rather than have fun fannying about with wood and fun stuff?! The damn nerve of me.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 04/06/2018 23:43

Grin sorry just teasing all Grin the northern thing is rather relative but yes the bloody navy knickers are definitely discrimination.
Down with that sort of thing Wink

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 23:35

NE England here. I love Scotland and it's only a netball throw away really. I still call out discrimination on navy knickers Grin

CrunchieFriday · 04/06/2018 23:31

"Just" English here. Grin I have enjoyed countless holidays in Scotland, but nope, I'm a Southerner in comparison!

VaggieMight · 04/06/2018 23:30

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ibaker23 · 04/06/2018 23:29

Bowlofbabelfish

A Male remains a Male

janice is talking about how they are treated by others like in a restaurant.
"would you like anything to drink ma'am"

LangCleg · 04/06/2018 23:27

I didn't have to wear navy knickers. But we were forced into purple netball skirts. Ugh.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 04/06/2018 23:26

Are you really northern or just English? Wink
Navy knickers in Scotland too Grin

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 23:20

I wonder why it's only us Northern girls that had to wear navy knickers? I call that discrimination.

DodoPatrol · 04/06/2018 23:16

Signing in as another alumna of the Navy Northern Knickers team here!

DarthArts · 04/06/2018 23:06

How many fingers am I holding up to TRA's?

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You wish.....

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CrunchieFriday · 04/06/2018 22:46

Ahhhhhh. Thank you.

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