Where do we draw the trans line....?

So I’m really thinking - female only is the only way to keep female meaning female.

Now we've got the AGP piggybacking onto the dysphoric, I'm afraid you're right.

*I don't think any male-born person, regardless of medical/surgical status, should be: in women's sports, providing intimate services and/or healthcare to women requesting women practitioners, taking spaces on affirmative action programmes for women; be counted as women in gender parity statistics or crime statistics; be eligible for women's awards.

So that's quite a comprehensive list!

Toilets and changing rooms? No dick.*

Doesn’t sound unreasonable, problem is you can’t tell which male looking person in a dress has a penis or not, plus as seen - give an inch, take a whole continent. It’s all too complicated to make some exceptions for this and that and will always lead back to complete access on self id. So I’m really thinking - female only is the only way to keep female meaning female

Women's rights and concerns

Dangly bits. Unfortunately the ECHR disagrees.

Disagrees about gender change being recognised but not EA exemptions.

Also the whole human rights discussion at that level has been happening with no representation, understanding of or thought for women's concerns. That needs to change.

I don't think any male-born person, regardless of medical/surgical status, should be: in women's sports, providing intimate services and/or healthcare to women requesting women practitioners, taking spaces on affirmative action programmes for women; be counted as women in gender parity statistics or crime statistics; be eligible for women's awards.

So that's quite a comprehensive list!

Toilets and changing rooms? No dick.

I’m getting more hardline on it. Went from full trans ally “of course TW ARE women you bigot” to thinking female has to be mean female. Truly early transitioning TW/TG who pass will use wherever they want. Problem is if you see someone who is obviously male - there is no way to know if that person has had srs, been diagnosed, has GRC etc or is a self defining intact TW or a creep abusing the system. Unfortunate for the few transsexuals out there who folk originally tolerated under the understanding they were “real trans” having being diagnosed, srs etc. Problem is most look/sound male and that’s what i would see first. It’s maybe not fair that passing matters but hey ho - that’s how i feel now and I can’t unsee and unknow that the person next to me in a dres is male, male, male.

Unfortunately for the (post-op) "transsexuals" who I have absolutely no problem with, there isn't really an easy way to draw a line, without making everyone just use the facilities of their "birth sex".
So what I think will eventually happen is that the TRAs will be restricted from going in to women's spaces, as they should be, but the transexuals will suffer for it.

I'll have to accept the tiny tiny number of post op AGPs too and just be glad they can't rape me

Why should women accept this though. I used to be ok with post op women using women's facilities, but know I agree with busy, after all how are we to know which are sans male genitalia?

It's shite that old school transsexual woman have been put in this position, but that isn't women's fault.

Dangly bits. Unfortunately the ECHR disagrees.

I think it's bloody hard. And making me very concerned about using facilities whilst out and about tbh.

The rise in cases of cameras being found in unisex facilities like Starbucks is very worrying as well. I'm not sure how you're supposed to guard against ending up on pornhub?

I'm coming to the conclusion that 3 spaces will be needed. And one should be strictly for biological women only.