Where do we draw the trans line....?

Laughing my head off at Bewildernesses response to fms there.

^Tell

Prey tale.

@bewilderness

I'm "bewildered" that you think a tampon can reach the prostate. Learn some male anatomy.

Apologies accepted samphire I appreciate that. I might seem ott but I have a zero tolerance policy for people telling others that their feelings or boundaries are wrong.

Is the AGP/period fetish thing so very rare? I don't think it is that rare. If you want to risk losing your breakfast, go to sissykiss dot com. Basically, an entire site for AGPs. That is where I first came across the tampon up the rectum stuff. Had not realised that they had progressed to raiding bins for used hygiene products (ie 'the next level') until recently, but does not surprise me either. Effectively, this is all very silence of the lambs stuff.

PermissiontoSpeakSir I want to apologise, unreservedly for any hurt I caused, for having pissed you off!

I had quite forgotten how the mood and tone of the boards change later at night and over the weekend and, in that light, what I considered to be a throwaway comment, obvilsuly wasn't read that way. My apologies.

I'm logging off now... going back to my usual 6am - 4 ish routine.

fms, no one here wants to hear about you sticking used feminine hygiene products up your bum. Promise.

@bewilderness "Prostate location is significant in these cases."

It really isn't.

Is there any reported case of transwomen being beat up in the mens room for that reason alone?

No.
There was a short lived project of transgender identified males going into the men's room and taking selfies and posting them with the caption "do I look like I belong here".

It was embarrassing for them because the men mostly ignored them. Though a few men did object to being photographed while they were pissing.

Crikey!

Only people who try to over step my boundaries - and it doesn't matter if it's done with saccharine cutesie words. I've seen it all.

Permission I only responded with a slightly childish word to describe what I saw as an over reaction. You called me a psycho for that! Another over reaction??

Is that how you consider anyone who disgrees with you?

@DameFanny

So you really think people

MEN. Women are already female. We are talking about women's fear of men as a class based on structural oppression of the class of women by the class of men, using reproductive biological difference to both justify and enact (via rape) that oppression. I resist any and all attempts to obfuscate that with "people" where "men " should be used.

will change their identity to female for kicks? Go through all the paperwork for a prank?

Men have done far more extreme things to rape and abuse women. John Worboys took up taxi driving and then made himself a rape kit including prescription tranquilisers and risked his job, his taxi licence, and arrest and imprisonment in order to commit rapes.

When gender is more core to people's sense of identity than their names?

Citation needed, and by that I mean actual research papers, not Stonewall. I have always resented my sex being used to define me and what I can do. I can think of at least ten things that I regard as more important to my sense of self/identity than "woman": "musician", "gardener", "diyer", "competent", "problem solver" being the five least likely to out me if I list them here. If I woke up tomorrow with a male body, I would be more annoyed at having to buy new clothes to fit that body than I would be about the body having changed.

but maybe revealed more about you

Revealed that you think its appropriate to tell other people their boundaries are 'silly' and that I am now wise enough to recognise your 'kind' from bitter experience.

Oh! I hadn't thought that through either. Please,be assured you ahve made the right decision there, bewilderness

Wow, I presumed that the tampon thing was trans women with surgical vaginas, it never occurred to me that some folk would think sticking one up your bum was a feminine experience. I still doubt it's done by many. Someone mentioned sport and I feel more strongly about that than any other issue.
Prostate location is significant in these cases.
I can say more if you wish but I do not think you would wish it.

Only psychos tell other people what they should or shouldn't feel or that their boundaries are 'silly'. Oooh! That told me... but maybe revealed more about you

Is there any reported case of transwomen being beat up in the mens room for that reason alone? I don't know any.

Now that is silly.

My genuine feelings are not 'silly'.

Men pretending to be women in spaces where I am vulnerable makes my flesh creep.

Only psychos tell other people what they should or shouldn't feel or that their boundaries are 'silly'.

The law is written so that transgender identified people, whether male or female, have the extra protection of being able to use whichever facility they choose.
Male violence is the reason often given for both female and male transgender identified persons choosing to use the spaces previously designated for females.

I suppose it depends what spaces we are talking about. Generally someone who has had sex change surgery or has a GRC I would have no problem with. But that doesn't mean I'd object to those pre op for that reason alone in say toilets and I think most would go unnoticed unless there was some incident. I would expect a much higher bar in prisons and womens refuges where women are at their most vulnerable from men.

Are people now saying that they will refuse to use the same single self-contained cubicle as a men/trans women? Because if so, you might find that your options are a bit limited.

Since limiting women's and girls participation in the public sphere by depriving them of any and all female only spaces is the goal I would say you are more than a little late in making this observation.

Lets call a spade a spade here. TIM's want to use women's loos etc because of the feeling of validation it gives them. "Oooo look at me, a woman in a woman's space".

They don't want third spaces, they don't want unisex, they want women's, we don't want them!

There's an element of cognitive dissonance here; "the F2M can piss with us even though he doesn't want to because he was born female, but the M2F can't"

Neither of them want to piss in their own sex facilities. They are both equally cognitive dissonant. We are not.