Where do we draw the trans line....?

but what harm could it cause your daughters spontaneousgiventime (apart from ick) ?

The harm is more likely to come to the person combing through clinical waste.

There probably always has been people with 'unusual' fetishes. I admit, the idea of people utilising used menstrual products turns my stomach. I've told my daughters to carry a zip lock bag when they have their period to take the used items home to dispose of. Yes, the numbers are likely very small but even so...

You're

Does the word 'transplaining' exist yet?

I think we need to use this word as we seem to be learning about these delightful new pastimes, interests and hobbies we are discovering every day. Not to mention the new language one needs to learn before your accused of transphobia, bigotry and the rest.

On another note, what would be the possibility of campaigning for a third space? My guess is that's not the point - they want recognition as a woman and therefore this won't be good enough.

Heavens above. The stuff fmsfms gets fixated on is a never ending suprise.

Quite special.

I saw someone elsewhere make a point about AGP vs BDSM the other day. Something along the lines of - fine in the privacy of your own home or your own community spaces, but I don't see BDSMers rushing about getting laws changed so they can spank each other in the swimming pool changing room or force everyone to address them as Master or Slave because if you don't, they'll either commit suicide or punch you in the face.

Don't tempt them!

if I say

of course you are right

3 times, does it exorcise fms?

gotta be worth a try right? Then we could stop talking about prostates

If some people want to stick tampons up their bum, well that's their prerogative.

I mean, I suppose in some ways it's relevant since said tampon-bummers are salivating at the prospect of getting used ones from women's spaces instead of the plain old new ones from Tesco!

I saw someone elsewhere make a point about AGP vs BDSM the other day. Something along the lines of - fine in the privacy of your own home or your own community spaces, but I don't see BDSMers rushing about getting laws changed so they can spank each other in the swimming pool changing room or force everyone to address them as Master or Slave because if you don't, they'll either commit suicide or punch you in the face.

It takes two to tango, amazing how the people that fixate on my replies miss that simple fact

Ah! Not discussing in good faith then!

I shall leave you to it!

Is the focus for you really to be 'triumphant' about saying a tampon can't reach a prostate?

You've clearly got your priorities straight with this issue.

Second time gaslighting has been brought up in this discussion, totally inaccurate to say pointing out that tampons don't reach the prostate is gas lighting lol

Its basic male anatomy

Th problem is that even post op, many transsexuals are clearly born male, and that’s a problem in sex segregated spaces. I think sex segregated spaces need to remain just that

Good way to divert attention from the actual issue and focus on something so fucking pathetic that it somehow looked like all us wimmins are simply hysterical about nothing. I've seen some gaslighting before but it reaches a new low arguing whether a tampon is long enough to-reach a prostate.

How about focusing on the actual problem of violating women's spaces to ensure some males narcissistic tendencies are met.

It takes two to tango, amazing how the people that fixate on my replies miss that simple fact

Precisely Picasso.

Heavens above. The stuff fmsfms gets fixated on is a never ending suprise.

@curiousaboutsamphire

"Erm, I think you might need to brush up on what AGP men find sexually stimulating!"

You are still having difficulty distinguishing between physical sexual simulation and mental stimulation.

Again (why is this so hard to grasp) the original claim was that the location of the prostate is why tampons are being inserted into male bums

I'm arguing that an ordinary tampon isn't long enough or big enough to effectively reach and stimulate the prostate. This has nothing to do with the taboo or mental stimulation from inserting it

@placemat

If you're now saying that a tampon plus an applicator can reach the prostate then yes I agree, but I doubt they're walking round with an applicator shoved up there all day. And I did link earlier a site suggesting dildo esque sex toys as being able to reach it

The same site says men can't effectively use their own fingers due to position of the gland

This is a really stupid tangent that is being continued by people that aren't grasping the very nature of the tangent.

For the final time: any trans woman sticking a tampon for the bum isn't doing it to stimulate the prostate

I really hope Zinnia is not lurking on this thread

Most vaginas are 10 cms to 15 cms long.

men have longer fingers than women.

The prostate is approximately 10 to 15 cms from the anal opening.

Like I said, go ask your gay male friends if they ever contemplated sticking a tampon up their arse to stimulate the prostate. And prepare to be laughed at

Whoa! Step back and think about what you have just posted.

Of course you can stimulate the prostate with a tampon, especially those with the plastic applicator, it would be difficult with a used tampon unless you saved up the plastic applicator for insertion - but why would anyone put a used tampon up their bum.

Erm, I think you might need to brush up on what AGP men find sexually stimulating!

And, again, transwomen are NOT AGP!

"And gay men are not AGP! So of course they would laugh!"

Gay men have prostates

Gay men who bottom indulge in anal sex because it stimulates the prostate

So if a trans woman as alleged earlier is sticking tampons up there to stimulate the prostate then no reason why a gay man or even a heterosexual man would enjoy similar tampon induced prostate stimulation

But has anyone heard of gay men doing that?

Of course they haven't, because tampons aren't big enough to reach the prostate.

Therefore any physical motivation for trans women to stick tampons up their bum is minimal.

False equivalence comparing men with tampons and women with tampons - completely different purposes. Don't tell me, tell AGPs, it is their fetish I don't claim to understand it.

Just as not being the owner of a prostate gland I couldn't tell you if a tampon up the arse could in any way be stimulating. But I would consider that any contact could be...

And gay men are not AGP! So of course they would laugh!

We're properly down a cul de sac here.

If some people want to stick tampons up their bum, well that's their prerogative. It has nothing to do with where my 'line' is on trans issues.

Even the used san pro thing (yuk) is not a particularly strong reason to exclude men from women's toilets.